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  1. Clete

    Our Moral God

    Okay, so there's no way I can respond to all of your post. I'd be here till Christmas 2026! There are several theodicies that people have formulated. They seem to all mention free will but any of them produced by Catholics or Calvinists or Methodists universally give mere lip service to free...
  2. Clete

    Time doesn't exist.

    The reason you cannot do it is because it is a contradiction. In fact, it is a specific kind of contradiction known as a stolen concept fallacy. The concept of existences presupposes (i.e. it is logically dependent upon) the concept of duration and when you speak of duration you are employing...
  3. Clete

    Guns!

    I could have almost guest that! The procession of rifles isn't prohibited outright.... New York Buyer: 21+ for handguns, 16+ for long guns (federal law limits purchases to 18+), permit required to purchase handguns, no waiting period Concealed carry: Allowed with permit, generally does not...
  4. Clete

    Time doesn't exist.

    Time does not exist ontologically. Time is an idea. It exists only as a convention of language used to convey information related to the duration and sequence of events relative to other events. Done! And it isn't my opinion, either. It is a specific and very valid form of argument called an...
  5. Clete

    Guns!

    What state do you live in?
  6. Clete

    Time doesn't exist.

    Time is an idea, not an actual thing, so your comment makes no sense. There are several things that you could mean by the statement and so, by definition, it does not stand on its own. Yes, well when stupid people say stupid things they often think thet're being pithy and wise. That doesn't...
  7. Clete

    Our Moral God

    Just as that which "tends toward" life is the good. In other words, this would be a redundancy. The point is that the basis for and premise of good is life and the basis for and premise of evil is death. As the scripture affirms... Deuteronomy 30:15 “See, I have set before you today life and...
  8. Clete

    Our Moral God

    Okay, so maybe it will help to focus the discussion by zeroing in on what we're really talking about here. I'll try to at least touch on the major points of disagreement. Let me know if I fail to do so. What we are talking about is, more or less, the problem of evil and what you are trying to...
  9. Clete

    Time doesn't exist.

    It would go a long way toward preventing such treatment if you posted something more substantive than just a pithy sounding comment that is naked of anything to establish it as more than something you just made up off the top of your head. Tell people what in the world it is that you make you...
  10. Clete

    That's incompetent, irrelevant, and immaterial, impassible, impeccable, and immutable! - Oct 23 2023

    @Lon, I think you might have missed Derf's point (or one of them anyway). Let me phrase the point in the form of a question... IF Adam and Eve, having been created good, would not have eaten of the Tree (i.e. sinned) without temptation, then it would follow that the same would apply to Lucifer...
  11. Clete

    Our Moral God

    Lon, I had a whole post written in detailed response to this hypocritical post and I just deleted it. Here is the whole thing in a nutshell.... Saying it doesn't make it so and repeating your position doesn't stand as a rebuttal of a refuted point. You are taking generally true statements...
  12. Clete

    Our Moral God

    That which promotes life is the good and that which promotes death (i.e. the negation of life) is the evil but neither exists in the sense that good and evil are some sort of substances where they exist in the ontological sense of the word "exist". I suppose you could say that good exists in...
  13. Clete

    Could God destroy a human being?

    I stand by my statement and do so firmly. Bit players that had something to do with killing people not withstanding. I'm not aware of anything that either of us have said that hasn't been cordial. Disagreement should not be interpreted has hostility - especially on a text based web forum where...
  14. Clete

    Could God destroy a human being?

    No. By your criteria the angel that passed over the Jews in Israel, the frogs, locusts a hail all had ministries of death. The role in killing people does not raise to the level of a ministry of death in any sort of manner that would qualify such things as legitimate counter examples. As I said...
  15. Clete

    How to respond to classical theists who dodge Open Theism arguments

    There is a strong human instinct against standing apart from the crowd. People want to feel like they're normal and that they belong to the "in" crowd. If it isn't an innate instinct, it for sure is drilled into every child's head when they attend almost any school in the civilized world...
  16. Clete

    Could God destroy a human being?

    It's only controversial in that it seems to be TRYING to miss the point and ignores this supposed counter example's direct connection to the law of Moses! Yes, I had an extra "not" in there. Did it cause you to misunderstand the question?
  17. Clete

    Could God destroy a human being?

    I didn't say that the Tree and the Law were the only two things that ever killed anyone. By your reasoning, guns have a ministry of death. Are you denying that the Tree and the Law are connected?
  18. Clete

    Could God destroy a human being?

    I think you can order them directly from Bob Enyary Live @ 1-800-8Enyart (800-836-9278) Hey! Didn't that used to be 1-888-8Enyart? When did that change?
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    Could God destroy a human being?

    I didn't say that they were the only things that ever killed anyone and besides, the Bronze Surpent story is a picture of Christ where disobedience toward Moses (i.e. the law) results in death but looking upon the fiery serpent that God had Moses set on a pole, defeated that death. It's totally...
  20. Clete

    Guns!

    Okay, so I have to say that if even 1 person in 5 were to honestly make this exact response when challenged, I wouldn't have the time it took to type up the posts. Very very excellent response! Ad hominem happens when personal attacks are inserted as a form of argument, not just any old time...
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