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I saw it. It's a catchy headline but there isn't anyway that mainstream science is coming within a million light years of accepting the idea that space/time isn't a real thing that expands and contracts depending on which way something moves and that somehow "curves" to create gravity (curves in...

You sound like a new age nut, was the point!

So what are you even doing here if you aren't going to discuss things with people?

Nonsense from the beginning to end. Science isn't beginning to say that time doesn't exist! The whole of modern cosmology is predicated on the idea that time does exist and that space and time are the same thing. Yeah, the first half of my life was spent thinking about Einstein's theories. He...

Events occur and objects exist but that isn't what time is nor does it require time for those things to happen, except in terms of the CONCEPT of time. Time is not what allows things to happen, existence is what allows things to happen but the duration and sequence of events and the location of...

Man! That guy sure knows how to turn a phrase. I love it when people say so much in a single sentence like that!

Why do people who know they've been cornered feel like double speak is a way out? I will never understand just who it is they're trying to convince! The concept is a reality because concepts exist in a mind but do numbers exist as something other than a concept? In what way is it external to...

@nikolai_42 seems to be trying to NOT understand. This is just not that difficult a concept to grasp. N42, do you believe that numbers actually exist, in the ontological sense? Is the number 42 a real thing in the same sense that a rock is a real thing or it is a concept? I'm not talking about...

Are you really sitting there trying to convince me that you'd have no power, no ability, no way at all of refusing a bowl of vanilla ice cream, that it's utterly outside your decision making ability and that you will eat that bowl of ice cream, without any doubt whatsoever and without any chance...

There is no contradiction, just a misunderstanding or an ignoring of the context. Time does not exist ontologically. Time does exist as a concept. Open Theist do not object to the use of the concept of time - at all. What we object to is pretending that time is more than just an idea and that...

The identity principle is the foundation of all knowledge. What is, is. A is A. It's more than a principle it is a law of reason. ALL intelligible communication has it as a core presupposition. It has two corollaries which together make up the three laws of reason... 1. The law of identity...

Sorry, Lon! I couldn't follow any of that. Probably not in the sense you mean it, although I'm having dificulty knowing just what you're getting at here, so it depends, I suppose. Speaking for myself, I wouldn't say that God isn't timeless because He experiences both duration and sequence and...

I suppose from a certain perspective that a concept's necessary conditions could be considered part of that things definition but only by implication and your insistence on making them explicit it is making this discussion almost impossible because you refuse to acknowledge the distinction...

No! JR made the whole argument above. Time is not a thing, its an idea and the question cannot even be asked without employing a self-contradiction. There can be no such thing as "BEFORE" time. The proposition is as textbook an example of a self-stultifying concept as there could ever be.

Okay, first of all, pointing out that there's a lot of people who agree, IS NOT AN APPEAL TO POPULARITY FALLACY!!!!! You just cannot understand how much it drives me crazy when people do this sort of thing! It's just so much hubris. It's just an attempt to say something that makes you sound...

Why didn't you answer the question, Lon? Love cannot exist without the ability to do otherwise! No moral act of any kind can exist without the ability to do otherwise. The ability to do otherwise is what it means to have a will. You MUST be able to choose if the term "morality" is to have any...

No! NO! NO! Where is this even coming from? Where is the payoff for you to water this down? The reason He knew was because of the outcry, not because He knows everything there is to know! Not only that, but He doesn't take the testimony of those He's heard from as proof but it going down...

That would be redundant. To do or to do otherwise refers to any act, whether in thought, word or deed.

I have no time except to say one thing.... I do not, nor does any open theist I have ever read, define the word love as "the ability to do otherwise". If anything that is what it means to have a will. Do you believe that it would be conceptually possible for a being that had no will to love...

There are such variations in every school of thought whether theological or otherwise. It doesn't make it that hard to follow logically. You just have to pay attention to who you're reading and understand why he's saying what he's saying. I submit that those open theists who disagree with me...