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  1. Clete

    Our Moral God

    Right. As I said, in a big picture, over the long term sort of way. Yes, "all things" is clearly a figure of speech. The bible is not a law book, right? God is allowed to speak in generalities. God is perfectly well capable of knowing what He needs to know, Derf! No one here is arguing that...
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    Our Moral God

    I agree that God did not "know" in the "with certainty" sense of that term but I do believe that He fully expected it and I think that expectation is part of why He chose Jonah to do the preaching. He for sure knew Jonah's heart and, I believe, saw an opportunity to kill two birds with one stone...
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    Our Moral God

    As I said, the promise most directly applies in a big picture sense. There are Christian people who are brutally tortured, raped, murdered and otherwise victimized every single day. God very simply is not working every evil act that victimizes a believer toward the good of that believer. That is...
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    Our Moral God

    Well, this doesn't seem to follow to me. Not everything that happens is worked by God for the good of anyone, except perhaps in a very broad, long term, big picture sense. I mean, babies are murdered every 30 seconds in this country alone. I can't see any evidence of God working gang activity...
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    Time doesn't exist.

    That's not the only thing. You both post here. You both believe very similar things. You're both brilliantly articulate in expressing your doctrine and you're both fans of Bob Enyart and his ministry. From my perspective, you have more in common than not. You might as well be twins! Okay, maybe...
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    Time doesn't exist.

    This would seem to suggest that we are merely concepts within God's mind. I just don't get it. I literally see nothing in what you've presented here that even suggests that we exist "internally to God". Creation isn't God and God did not create Himself. The problem here is that the baby is...
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    Time doesn't exist.

    Yes! I meant Right Divider! I seem to always get you two mixed up!
  8. Clete

    Time doesn't exist.

    Well, you might find it tedious but one of the major aspects of our doctrine is precisely the fact that it conforms itself to the limits of sound reason. It is a foundational principle of our hermeneutic as it ought to be for everyone who does theology. It is, therefore, something we naturally...
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    Time doesn't exist.

    So I know JudgeRightly doesn't like doubt negatives but I just have to say that, as for me, double negatives have never been uncomfortable. You can feel free to not refrain from using them all you like as far as I'm concerned. ;)
  10. Clete

    Time doesn't exist.

    It is considered so in error. Agreed! Please provide scriptural evidence that God is immutable in the classical sense of the word. (i.e. in the sense that God cannot change IN ANY WAY WHATSOEVER.) If anyone does so, make sure I get some sort of notification of it so I can participate. In mean...
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    Our Moral God

    I couldn't follow this except for the last two sentences but even God gaining confirmation of their current state is enough to explode absolute omniscience and omnipresence.
  12. Clete

    Time doesn't exist.

    That sentence isn't irrational at all. It's the connection to that idea to the ontological existence of time that has no foundation. Whether something is an "inescapable logical necessity" is NOT a matter of opinion. Indeed, it is the opposite of an opinion. If something is an "inescapable...
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    Our Moral God

    The problem is that the text explicitly states otherwise and the translation of the passage is a good one, by the way. It absolutely says.... "I will go down now and see"..."and if not, I will know". I know of no translation that renders it differently. There certainly is nothing in the text...
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    Our Moral God

    "Word" is flatly an incorrect English translation of "Logos"- period. The only reason anyone thinks otherwise is because they've grown comfortable with the way the famous passage sounds. It's like the mangy, three legged, blind dog that has stuck around long enough for people to grow...
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    Mainstream Science

    Places like where?
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    When did the gospel go to the Gentiles?

    You aren't technically wrong but the meaning of sanctification depends on the context, and the terminology I used in my post is often used in Christian vernacular to distinguish between issues having to do with getting saved (Justification) vs. issues that have to do with living a Christian life...
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    Time doesn't exist.

    In short, whether scriptural or otherwise, there is no such thing as an irrational truth - by definition. That is to say that being irrational is the very definition of what it means for something to be false. Then, if it is indeed an "inescapable logical necessity", you should be able to...
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    When did the gospel go to the Gentiles?

    I entirely see your point here but it seems to me like you're conflating justification with sanctification. "Justification" being the act of getting saved and "sanctification" being the process by which we grow in Christ and learn to let Him live His life through us. This feels like a topic...
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    Time doesn't exist.

    I think the term for this is... non sequitur
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    Time doesn't exist.

    Very creative and clever post! I like it! Time does exist just not ontologically (i.e. in same way that you or I or any other person or object exists). Time exists as a concept, as an abstraction. It's a convention of language used to communicate information about the duration and sequence of...
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