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Explain this. Did God create math or is math intrinsic to God's nature? I think this is a very good and important point. --Dave

My new place in NJ has a big sky right out the front door. I will most certainly like to do some measurements from there. I will be somewhat limited with time to post for the next month with packing, moving, and that I still will be working full time until Social Security checks start coming...

The question of the sun's path/arc is not that it exists, as we see it, but is it the path/arc of a spinning globe or the path/arc of a sun moving over a flat earth. --Dave

That's better, but empirical evidence is visual evidence. Saying empirical/visual evidence is better than "my eyes tell me that the horizon is eye level", (which is empirical evidence) is a nonsensical statement. --Dave

Empirical data, that's an oxymoron. --Dave

I don't need an experiment to tell me what I see everyday. Everybody can see this for themselves. Don't trust your eyes, is the beginning of mind control. --Dave "The terms “horizon line” and “eye level” are often used synonymously. Horizon line/eye level refer to a physical/visual boundary...

I don't need a camera, I have eye's. --Dave

Of course height is involved. The horizon line rises with you as it should on a plane/flat earth. The higher you go up the further you can see into the distance on a plane/flat earth. The horizon line would drop below eye level the higher up we go if the earth has a globe. These are basic...

"The terms “horizon line” and “eye level” are often used synonymously. Horizon line/eye level refer to a physical/visual boundary where sky separates from land or water. It is the actual height of the viewer’s eyes when looking at an object, interior scene, or an exterior scene."--Basic...

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I will be retired in another month. I will be moving to NJ. As the weather warms up, I will be happy to do some star, sun, and moon watching, between spending more time with grandchildren and afternoon naps. Not that I will need naps but they will obviously help me stay up later into the night...

Denying the most basic and obvious human perception that the horizon line is at eye level is the beginning of the globe deception. --Dave

That this is proof of a globe is not clear to me. I appreciate your imput though and am still analyzing it. We all know that there is no acrc or path of the sun on the globe model. What we see for a heliocentric model is the earth spinning and rotating on a tilted axis around a stationary...

We don't need a camera to see that the horizon is level/straight/flat. --Dave

I usually say "appears to be rising", I did not mean that it actually rises. But the issue is that those who believe in the globe say we look slightly down at the horizon because they say we are looking at the bulge of a curved earth. But the reality is that the horizon rises to our eye...

The path of the sun as seen from any particular location does not prove the earth is a globe or that it's flat. --Dave

I'm studying this, from both sides. Flat earth has its own way of seeing the stars. --Dave

I hope you're kidding, but just in case...it's how we see the world. --Dave

I can't question your personal opinion, but this is science and verification is required. --Dave

To everyone There have been good arguments made for globe earth. There have been good arguments made for flat earth. I personally will judge all arguments from both sides for logical/rational integrity. I have done this with every topic I have studied. For me the existence of God wins this...