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Here is a diagram with the degrees and tilt. I would say we are at least on the same page here and that I am understanding the argument properly. I don't want to proceed unless we can agree on this, 100% is not necessary, just well enough will do. --Dave

Why are you posting here when you asked for a part two that you could use editing??? --Dave

I understand what your diagram is showing. But I still want to see the sun in relation to the earth that is the basis for your diagram. This diagram below is what I mean. The distance of the sun from the earth, and its size are very different from the flat earth vs the globe models. The...

I have flown from New York many times to see family and friends in Minnesota. My last trip I realized that the earth beneath me was not moving and the horizon did indeed rise to my eye level and it was straight and horizontal just as flat earth people were saying. There was absolutely no...

I accept your explanation, but one should be consistent with their argument. Can we agree that there is obviously no difference between flat earth and heliocentrism as to what we see and experience in terms of their being a calender movement of the sun through the seasons from the Tropic of...

To everyone. No one gets anywhere in a debate if too much information and too many points are made in the same post. I don't want to tell anyone how they should do this because I like information, but I personally want to take my time to focus on a deeper analysis of some of the claims from...

It's not a three foot drop every three miles from where you stand and watch, the next three miles, which would be six miles away, is a 24 foot drop. We also have to know what the power of magnification is of the telescope or camera that is being used. The Nikon P900, one of the most powerful and...

The guy on the video says at the beginning that we see that the sun moves at a constant speed across the sky but in the globe model the sun is not moving, the earth is spinning. Listen to it and tell my if I heard him correctly. Is his view geocentric or heliocentric? --Dave

We "move" on earth in many directions. Just "move" your hands and fingers over your keyboard and make your point. Don't let gravity stop you. --Dave

We can see ships in the distance. The Nikon P900 is 83x--magnification. And we are seeing ships, landscapes, and cityscapes at distances that we are not supposed to see if the earth were a globe. I honestly never realized that the curvature of the earth, if it's a globe, is 8 inch per mile...

The videos you show for this I think are well done and easy to understand and not too offensive. --Dave

I said on flat earth nothing needs to be "pulled" down or "pulled" in any other direction. On a spinning orbiting globe there has to be a reason that things not immovably attached to the earth don't fly off it. Gravity is not a discovery, it's a thought experiment used to explain the impossible...

I've watched the video and I want you to give me time to analyze it since I have not heard an argument from the three paths of the sun before. I want to understand this argument well enough to give an appropriate response. The video starts out with what I believe is the heart of the problem of...

If you want to share it here please do, or link me to PJ's thread so I can look at it. --Dave

They work because the sun is moving. But if you think you can prove your point, go ahead. --Dave

This is why we are debating flat earth 1. Experiments could not detect motion to the earth. "Soon I came to the conclusion that our idea about the motion of the Earth with respect to the ether is incorrect, if we admit Michelson’s null result as a fact. This was the first path which led me to...

Good we have much to debate, glad you're on board. --Dave

I'm going to start a new thread as part 2 of this one so you all can edit your posts. I will do this tomorrow evening. --Dave

I want to keep it. --Dave Sent from my iPhone using TOL

I always "Go Advanced" to check everything before I "Submit Reply". --Dave