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I didn't say it actually gets smaller, it appears smaller because of perspective, and that would be because it's farther away from the viewer at sun rise than it is when it's overhead. Misrepresenting what I say only makes you look deceptive. --Dave

Why the earth is flat is stated in the original intro to the debate. The debate is not the earth is a globe and we went to the moon because it's the arguments for flat earth that has to be questioned for me. Many of you don't get this. I already know why we all believe the earth is a globe. So...

You know what I mean by land masses rise up, but just because your playing dumb, I'll explain the obvious anyway. Land, that I'm referring to, is above sea level, and can rise to elevations very high above sea level. That does not mean they move. There are many times though that I don't think...

There is flare as you say but this pic does not indicate where it begins. As I said to Clete, the sun is farther away from the viewer at sun set and sunrise than it is when it's over head and so it must appear larger when closer to the viewer and smaller when farther away from viewer. --Dave

And you think you can see where the flare begins in the overhead photo. I don't think so. --Dave

You can't refute an argument based on video evidence if you don't watch it. Land masses rise up and block the sun as it moves away into the distance over a flat earth. Again, why does the sun not get smaller over a spinning globe when it does indeed get farther away from the viewer? --Dave

Sun overhead. Sun at sunset. --Dave

I brought it up for the reason I stated but not to make it the subject of this debate. Did you view the video of the sunset? --Dave

Seeing the sunset through a 83 x power lens is obviously not the same as seeing just with your eye. Did you watch the video? --Dave

No, never :rotfl: --Dave

I didn't say it was literal I said that it means from one end of a flat earth to the other. See, you had to use a flat map to make your point. --Dave

I'm not going to argue with you about what atheists say about the universe. This thread is not about does God use chance at times or not. It's a good question but answering it is not what this debate is about. --Dave

I just put the sense of it. If you see it more sensibly then say it. --Dave

You can see exactly what FE is seeing just go buy a Nikon P900. The distortion is due to the haze or water density of the atmosphere we encounter when we magnify the horizon that far away with a 83 x power photo lens. The big question for me is, does perspective really determine what we see...

I read the link, doesn't change that from one end to the other means the same thing as from the four corners of the earth. --Dave

Judge, Judge, Judge, Gathered from one end to other is the same thing as from the four corners of as applied to the syntax of the verse this phrase is found in. We interpret scripture first by syntax then context then comparative texts. --Dave

Ok, let's do this. Isaiah 11:12 And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the four corners of the earth. This means from one end to another, this implies a flat earth in that a globe has no such...

If it were only that simple, unfortunately it's not. What is literal and what is not has been debated for centuries. --Dave

Debunking flat earth arguments or videos would require viewing them first and then showing where and explaining why they are wrong. That the sun follows the geometric plane with perspective into the horizon is a strong argument. A Nikon P900 83 x power camera is going to show us what we could...

This graph is a full geometric plane with perspective. It's made up of four separate flat planes. The top plane is parallel to the bottom plane and the side planes are parallel to each other. All objects that move away from us to the center eventually disappear into the horizon, the middle...