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I understand your point. Yet the prediction of parallel planes seen through our eyes in perspective when ground beneath us and sky above us meet at our eye level there is a hard horizon simply because the earth is a solid. Now your view, the globe view, has a prediction that the flat earth...

No problem. I still understand your point. I've been reading up on calculating angular diameter. There are good videos on it. --Dave

It seems the density of the atmosphere in the troposphere makes it impossible for us to see through it at great distances. Combine that with objects become to small and even land masses shrink in size and we just can't see beyond a certain distance. When we look up we are not looking through...

Ok. I'll work on this. --Dave

Then the sun should appear over the globe at sunset and sunrise to be a lot smaller then when overhead because the observer is twice as close to when he first sees it compared to when he sees it overhead. Perspective is not just about the distance of an object its about what we can or cannot...

Atheists have no standards, that should be obvious to you. You think you have absolute facts that make you think you have absolute truth that the earth is a spinning globe. All of this is an opinion for all the reasons I've argued. 1. The earth is motionless. 2. Oceans / water are level...

You fail to distinguish between what people consider is stupid and what is true. I'm not saying truth is relative, I'm saying what you consider stupid is not what is stupid to someones else. Is it true that the earth is flat or is it true the earth is a spinning globe is not a relative issue...

I have addressed arguments from GE, you seem to think not believing them means I have not addressed them. Some that I have not addressed I have said I'm not sure how flat earth answers them which is why I continue to research it. --Dave

You and no one else can determine what is or is not stupid for someone else. Atheists have no problem doing this, Christians have a higher standard. --Dave

Who is using faked CGI, everyone will have to decide that for themselves, and the only way to do that is view video from both sides. That's what I do, and since you don't, you're clueless. --Dave

You have your opinion on what the facts are and what the videos reveal and FE as their's. You always seem to forget I'm not the author or originator of these arguments. That I argue on behalf of FE does not make me FE. That I think they make some good arguments and that GE has some bad ones is...

We'll see. --Dave

I have posted video's that clearly show through time lapse video that the sun changes size, in appearance. I have said that there are times when horizon magnification can take place. That this is always the case I don't know. But my argument was that if the earth is a spinning globe then we...

Reasons already stated. --Dave

Most FE arguments backed up by visual video evidence you and others refuse to see. That we look down at a horizon but it's so slight that we can't notice it is the argument from GE and is absolutely hilarious. Just asserting your GE position over and over again does not answer FE claims...

One side vs another side in what happens at the horizon, lasers used to prove FE as well, size of continents, we'll see. --Dave

And the major networks could not find enough voters for Trump to win. The reason why is because most of them would not say they were a Trump supporter knowing they would be called stupid idiots. The number of flat earth sites and followers of those sites on you-tube is large and is growing...

Seems it's more stupid to engage in a debate you don't consider worth debating? I'm not saying you're stupid, I saying this is worth debating. --Dave

I always answer posts from the bottom up and some of what I asked you in my last post I see you have answered in this post. Thanks. So we can calculate a difference that we cannot see, hmmm. I'm definitely going to study that site, thanks. I notice one thing immediately, This illustration...

Thanks Clete, good response. Yes an orbit that's not circular would make the sun appear smaller and larger. But what about from sunrise to overhead than to sun set, wouldn't the sun appear larger over head because of the distance to viewer? Your pictures deal with the ground in perspective not...