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And it appears you are missing what the rest of the Bible says.

Again, something I agree with, but you're still not hitting the point of contention.

@beloved57 Here's more verses that show that God is willing, but man is not: Then the Lord said to me, “Go again, love a woman who is loved by a lover and is committing adultery, just like the love of the Lord for the children of Israel, who look to other gods and love the raisin cakes of the...

They're not sheep until they go through the door.

Not the point of contention.

Which I agree with. But again, that doesn't hit the point of contention.

You're missing the point of contention again.

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Recommended reading: https://kgov.com/what-does-bible-say-about-polygamy

The problem (that marke has as well) is that "sheep" isn't talking about Christians. It's talking about believers of the New Covenant Christ made with Israel. Different set of rules for a different household.

Because you say so? False statement not found in scripture.

You keep saying that, as if it makes calvinism correct.

Scripture says more than just Romans 3:11. When are you going to realize that putting blinders on your eyes so that you can only read one verse at a time isn't a good way of studying it?

Duh! The fact of the matter is that it does, in fact, mean "one," regardless of whatever else it also means. The point I'm trying to make is that the context defines the meaning of the word. Take, for example, the word "yom" in Hebrew (English "day"). It can mean a 24 hour period, a portion...

Anyone who enters through the door is by definition a follower of Christ. But that doesn't tell us anything about how they became a follower. THAT is my point.

https://kgov.com/stretch

Duh. But I was referencing the verse where Paul says, explicitly, "Christ died for the ungodly." Obviously. But I'm not talking about the "ungodly who were redeemed" only, and neither was Paul, or at the very least, he didn't specify if he was talking about a specific group of ungodly people...

A sheep is a figure of speech that means follower. If a sheep enters the Door of Jesus Christ, it is because he is a follower of Christ. Which says nothing at all at how he became a sheep.

False statement not found in scripture. For Jesus Himself says: “O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, the one who kills the prophets and stones those who are sent to her! How often I wanted to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing! - Matthew...

Christ gave His life for the ungodly. And there's no qualifying statement attached to "ungodly" in that passage. But that death is not applied to all the ungodly, only those who believe after they are called.