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Sorry, but I asked first. At least be willing to admit that there aren't any. Sorry, that's not how it works. YOU made the claim that the natural man does not have ears to hear. I made a positive argument, in RESPONSE to YOUR claim about the natural man, that there are NO verses that says...

In a different thread, of course :)

Why does it matter, when your premises are false? (Eternal, Historical, Subjective and Glorification)

Yes, I have. What you're doing is posting what you believe. And I, in response, am showing you how what you believe is wrong. That's not all I'm doing. When I do that, I'm trying to not go off on a tangent, and stick to addressing the main thrust of your argument. If I were to truly...

I was referring to how you were trying to arbitrarily tie "election" to salvation. Correct. Election is simply being called to accomplish a task. That's what it means. Wrong. Paul is talking about the remnant, the Jewish believers, who believed the Gospel of the Kingdom for Israel. Read...

Again, if you do not quote me, I won't be notified that you quoted me. Chapter verse that says that the natural man does not have ears to hear. There is none. One is made alive AFTER he accepts Christ. Not before. A man is not saved until AFTER he calls upon the name of the Lord, which is...

Not what I said. No argument here. We agree. What we don't agree on is what "election" means. You think it means salvation. I'm telling you that it means "called to accomplish a task." Chapter, verse. Does not say what you want it to say. I have addressed the "Jacob and Esau," and the...

Then why do you continue to conflate the two?

In other words, you have no idea.

Showing you how they're wrong is not dismissing them.

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Yes, to all of those, because according to Calvinism, God is timeless, exists outside of time. The timeless God cannot tell the current time.

And yet, no one here has said otherwise. False. That's just how God created man. It has nothing to do with election. AMEN! Agreed! Jesus came to seek and save that which was lost (Luke 19:10), ie, the lost sheep of the House of Israel (Matthew 10:5-6, 15:24). That's what He was sent to...

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Based on what standard? Why do you assume that they wouldn't be viewed as human? According to what standard? And that number is constantly decreasing. * Shrinking Age of the Universe Falsifies the "Precision Cosmology" Prediction: As calculated by leading experts, the age of the universe...

Evolutionary biologists' opinions are the standard for whether the earth is young or not? Wouldn't that be geologists? You mean people who have a vested interest in toeing the evolutionist line to retain their tenure, etc? What if they owe someone debt that they cannot pay off right away...

Except that it is. Evolutionists don't even have a theory of origins. How can you have a good understanding if you can't explain where things started? I don't know why you people keep making that sort of statement. I recommend you go look up dinosaur soft tissue.

Again, which kind of slavery?

According to whose standard? Yours?

Yes, I have. All of my replies to you have been discussing the points you try to make. It's counterproductive to point out flaws in someone's reasoning? But you don't want to discuss. You want to preach your beliefs and have Nanja affirm everything you say, and affirm everything Nanja...