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I can dispute who those verses are written to and what they say, but you're speaking of something totally different than I am. How about you do me a favor. Read Matthew 23 and 24, then read Matt. 21. There are all kinds of evidences plus we know that Jerusalem is going to be under siege...

So the four horsemen must be sent by God. Good find, Tam. It won't be the church who are being oppressed. We don't follow the Lamb, and have already been raptured.

Actually, nothing in Matt. 24 is speaking of any seven year timeline. That can be found in Daniel. I'm glad to see, though, that you recognize this is speaking of Jesus' 2nd coming. It will, indeed, be after the GREAT TRIBULATION which includes all the wrath which the church is NOT appointed...

I wonder if we can really comprehend our Great God and Saviour the Lord Jesus Christ. John 14: 7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him. 8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, show us the Father, and it sufficeth us. 9 Jesus saith...

I think it's speaking of the intrinsic essence of God.

This discussion reminds me of the verse in Hebrews. Heb. 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

Not sure why you're drawing such wrath, but I'm happy to see you can still laugh.

Hi Arial, You have to admit that none of this stuff happened in 70AD. Matt. 24:27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together. 29...

Here Matthew is talking about the Great Tribulation that will come upon the nation of Israel and the unbelieving world. I think it's all a part of God's Wrath, before the 1000 year kingdom. Who was Matt. talking to and who was he talking about? The Jews. Matt. 24: 15 When ye therefore...

Paul is warning the church not to fall for any false antichrists or signs. And he's talking about the Second Coming....not when we are called up to meet the Lord in the air. Paul knows the church will always have tribulations and we must endure those. But we're talking about Tribulation...

I know one thing, the Gospel is the Power of God unto salvation. Clearly sinners can hear and respond to the Gospel. The lifting up of Christ on the Cross is a spiritual message. Another thing I know, it seems to be very common that any particular person is at a place in their life when...

Apples and oranges.

Alright you guys. Hold your horses. Pay attention to what Paul is saying here. First he's telling them not to believe claims that the day of Christ is at hand. He says the man of sin must be revealed and a falling away. 2 Thessalonians 2: 1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of...

And it isn't. The rapture is not the same as the Second Coming of Christ.

Nope we're not in the Tribulation Matthew is talking about. In fact, it's during the time the antichrist attacks Jerusalem. Notice the "holy place" And enduring to the end is always for the Jews...never the church. Matt. 24:13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved...

Okay smarty pants. The last Trump is God calling the church to meet him in the air. I really think the 1 Cor. 15 goes along with these. It's the voice of the trumpet....when God is calling His people, the first to give the Law and the second and last to call us up at the rapture....BEFORE...

I think the key is in the voice of the Trumpet. The Trumpet voice. Not the trumpets the angels sound, but the VOICE. Revelation 4:1 After this I looked, and, behold, a door was opened in heaven: and the first voice which I heard was as it were of a trumpet talking with me; which said, Come...

Except for what Paul already said in 1 Thessalonian 4: 15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. 16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of...

I think it just means waiting....being patient. True about Abel's blood. However, things will be going on in heaven. I'm sorry, what passage in Revelation are you talking about?

True, but the disciples didn't know he had actually died. They also used the term sleep for being asleep. It's like the word "gone". They might have left the building or they were dead. Well, we know that the soul is the person himself. Who he is. I would think that the person could sleep...