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What do you mean you cleaned up the thread? Are you the new FaceBook?

Seeking Him because I was created with the knowledge of God in me. We were created to know Him. I actually believe what Paul has to say, and I know if from personal experience. Romans 1: 19 Because that which may be known of God is manifest in them; for God hath shewed it unto them. 20 For...

Oh, I'm making Clete unhappy. Woe is me. I come here in spite of you being here, Clete, because I am long-suffering, and because there are others here who actually aren't pigs. You can whisper in someone's ear and get me banned, if I'm so hard for you to tolerate. That will be a work of...

What relationship would that be if we were spiritually dead because of Adam's sin.? Explain that "relationship" you're talking about. Pot kettle

Before I was saved, my spirit was not dead....it was seeking God. Man is without excuse, and a "dead" spirit certainly gives man an excuse, doesn't it? I was not made to believe or elected to believe, but my spirit responded to the Gospel when I heard it. The reason my spirit responded was...

They are condemned to death. Awaiting the Judgment of God.

Yep, I see that. But dead is used many different ways. The condemned to death is what I'm talking about. John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

So you're saying when we sin, we "reject God"?

Yep, and it's the body that dies. Body, soul, spirit. Man is condemned to death when he sins, but until the judgment.....

Yeah, I see now if we happen to come in after the thread started, we are subject to ridicule. I was actually interested in what Derf might be saying. Had I known you would ride roughshod over anyone who showed some interest and wanted to post, I'd have bowed down to your most excellent glory...

My proof for what I say is in the fact that sinners (dead in sin) can still respond the Gospel of Salvation. That seems to be more than you can comprehend. Quite Calvin of you.

This right here is undoubtedly why TOL is not vibrant anymore.

Once again, you're avoiding the issue of what "spiritually dead" actually means. I totally understand that our spirit will continue to exist after our body dies. I'm merely asserting that our spirit does not actually die when we sin.

But you said, "yes, your dead spirit can respond to the Holy Spirits call and be made alive by the Holy Spirit" If our "dead spirit" can respond, then it isn't really dead, is it? This is the point I'm trying to make. I understand the verse, but it does not say anyone is "spiritually dead"...

Oh wait. I liked your dead but still functioning answer better, except it doesn't really make sense. That is why I say dead in trespasses in sins in NOT talking about being spiritually dead, but being Condemned to death for our sins. But Jesus was talking about the man's dead (physically)...

Ah, so how do you see that our spirit was dead but still functioning? As much as I love you, way 2 go, that seems like sort of a non-answer. Wouldn't that be condemned rather than "spiritually dead" as so many assume? Ah, now I get your reference for the soul. Thanks for clarifying.

Because we respond to the Gospel while we are still "dead in our sins".

I like the painting in the Cistine (sp) chapel. Man reaching up as God is reaching down.

Well, we know the indwelling Holy Spirit could not come down until Jesus had resurrected, so what Luke was speaking of there, I'm not sure. Was it what the early church experienced, or was it what Paul preached where the Holy Spirit baptizes us into the body of Christ? Yes, and in the end...

@ way 2 go Eph. 1:13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, We could not be "spiritually dead" if we 1. "heard the word of truth (gospel) 2. "in whom...