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  1. Clete

    Our Moral God

    Not only that but... Gary's claim that we can't understand God implies that his own understanding of God is superior to ours, otherwise he could make no distinction between our position and his own. How could he know this if his claim that God cannot be understood is correct? By what means did...
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    Our Moral God

    I have not insulted you. On the contrary, it was you who insulted me. To which I responded by asked you a serious question which you'd do well to think through and respond to even if that response is never posted on this website. You're over reacting and I don't care whether what I say hurts...
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    Our Moral God

    No, you are the one reading into scripture! There isn't any power or means by which a man can hide from God precisely because God is able to be everywhere He wants to be at once!! What are you even doing here, Gary? Seriously! What exactly is it that you feel like you're accomplishing? Are...
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    Our Moral God

    There were lots of babies being born in those days, Gary. God is perfectly well capable of reading the genetic code which He Himself invented and can know a very great deal about all the babies that have yet to be born and can pick and choose from those who would make excellent candidates for...
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    Our Moral God

    God is present everywhere He wants to be and nowhere else. No, they do not demonstrate any such thing. What it demonstrates is God's ability to accomplish that which He sets out to do.
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    Our Moral God

    The problem for Calvinists is precisely the fact that they do not believe God is responsible for all things. That is to say that they do and they don't at the same time! Out of one side of their mouth that say that God is in absolute meticulous control of every event that takes place and out...
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    Our Moral God

    Sorry, that sentence does not make sense to me. You could not hope to maintain such a position rationally. Is the God of scripture, Vishnu? Is the God of scripture a murderer? No? There's two limitations. That took me three seconds to think of. There are probably ten billions things that God...
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    Is Mr. Jordan Peterson a false prophet or ravenous wolf?

    What is it that you think has changed so much in the last 2000 years? What is it that you think counts as "the greater understanding of this age"? The greater understanding of what?
  9. Clete

    Our Moral God

    Derf is looking for a way to read Genesis 18:20-21 in a manner consistent with the idea that God has perfect, totally complete knowledge of the past and present. I don't see how what he's proposed doesn't contradict itself. Does that answer your question or were you asking something else?
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    Our Moral God

    That isn't what the text says! The text says the God was going to see if it was actually as bad as He'd been told. It doesn't say that He was going to investigate whether they'd repent or not. It doesn't say that at all! More directly to the point, even if the text was somehow compatible with...
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    Our Moral God

    It is what the bible explicitly states, Derf! I mean, how much clearer do you need it to be? Do remember the contradiction for yours that I pointed out several days ago, where, in reference to Genesis 18:21, you said, "To me, the passage allows for God to have perfect past (and present)...
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    Our Moral God

    It makes perfect sense, Derf! You really are acting as if God is a mere man. You don't have any idea the extent of God's resources nor even the nature of those resources. This is what we know. The bible clearly teaches that God does not know everything there is to know. God is just. There will...
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    Our Moral God

    Nonsense. Do you believe that God is the only person in all of existence or what? Is there a thousand different possible sources of such information or is the number ten thousand or is it ten million or even billions? I mean, you seem to think that God is stupid or something! Think it...
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    Our Moral God

    What He doesn't know, He is able to find out, Derf! Seriously now, how is that a difficult concept? By what means do you believe it even possible to keep a secret from God? Guilty people know what they've done and God is definitely able to know the thoughts of men. We've already discussed the...
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    Our Moral God

    Right. As I said, in a big picture, over the long term sort of way. Yes, "all things" is clearly a figure of speech. The bible is not a law book, right? God is allowed to speak in generalities. God is perfectly well capable of knowing what He needs to know, Derf! No one here is arguing that...
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    Our Moral God

    I agree that God did not "know" in the "with certainty" sense of that term but I do believe that He fully expected it and I think that expectation is part of why He chose Jonah to do the preaching. He for sure knew Jonah's heart and, I believe, saw an opportunity to kill two birds with one stone...
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    Our Moral God

    As I said, the promise most directly applies in a big picture sense. There are Christian people who are brutally tortured, raped, murdered and otherwise victimized every single day. God very simply is not working every evil act that victimizes a believer toward the good of that believer. That is...
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    Our Moral God

    Well, this doesn't seem to follow to me. Not everything that happens is worked by God for the good of anyone, except perhaps in a very broad, long term, big picture sense. I mean, babies are murdered every 30 seconds in this country alone. I can't see any evidence of God working gang activity...
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    Time doesn't exist.

    That's not the only thing. You both post here. You both believe very similar things. You're both brilliantly articulate in expressing your doctrine and you're both fans of Bob Enyart and his ministry. From my perspective, you have more in common than not. You might as well be twins! Okay, maybe...
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    Time doesn't exist.

    This would seem to suggest that we are merely concepts within God's mind. I just don't get it. I literally see nothing in what you've presented here that even suggests that we exist "internally to God". Creation isn't God and God did not create Himself. The problem here is that the baby is...
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