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  1. Clete

    On the omniscience of God

    We are perfectly capable of using the mind's God gave us. Sound reason works. If so, God is unjust. It would be impossible for you to show any such thing, as I have demonstrated in my previous post. God is not always right either, Lon! Biblically, God knowing the future is just about exactly...
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    Our Moral God

    Okay, so first of all, regular typos aside, you need to pay closer attention to your sentence structure. This is barely readable. Secondly, and far more important, all of what you said here is precisely the reason why such dialogues are stupidity on parade! Your entire premise here is that the...
  3. Clete

    On the omniscience of God

    True, but the etymology of a term doesn't always convey what is actually meant when the term is used. Open Theists accept the use of the term "Omniscient" in that we believe that God knows all knowable things. It's just that we have different ideas about what is knowable. Some of us also add an...
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    Our Moral God

    Open Theists do not reject the omnis in a fashion akin to the Mormons! This way of thinking doesn't work anyway. Would you put yourself in the same category as the Mormons because you pray to a guy named Jesus? I mean, do you know anything at all about what the Mormons teach? The Mormons are the...
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    Our Moral God

    Yes, you're getting my point, exactly! I do fully acknowledge that the analogy is an imperfect one, as are almost all analogies.
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    Our Moral God

    I don't think so! Then why bring it up in the first place? No one compares Open Theism to Mormonism because they both believe that God exists. No one compares Open Theism to Mormonism because they both accept the fact that someone named Jesus died on a cross. There are a thousand possible...
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    Our Moral God

    That isn't an answer. Why aren't they compatible? It wasn't those two things I was comparing anyway, it was the fact that when you mix them together in a bowl, you are left with a lump of dough (one thing) rather than a bowl with two things in it. The fact that I picked eggs and flour is...
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    Our Moral God

    Okay, fine. Don't use it. It doesn't matter. It has no effect on the doctrine anyway, so if you want to believe that God already knew the answer to His question then that's no skin off my nose. At the end of the day it makes no difference one way or the other because our doctrine is not based on...
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    Our Moral God

    Why? The only way they are alike is in that when you add one to the other, you end up with one thing. If you take oil and mix in water, they don't mix. They remain quite separate. If I have a glass that is half full of water and I fill it the rest of the way with oil, now I have a class with...
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    Our Moral God

    I would agree. Not every verse that could be interpreted as God not knowing something has to mean that He didn't actually know. Sometimes, such questions are rhetorical. It would be an equal error to assume that every time that such a question is asked that it never means that God doesn't know...
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    Our Moral God

    You are laughably stupid. If Open Theism is so wrong, why do you only ever argue against things you know for a fact that it does not teach?
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    Our Moral God

    No, Lon! No! I won't put up with it. You know as well as I do that Open Theism has NOTHING in common with Mormonism that isn't superficial or purely coincidental and you bringing it up was an attempt to smear us as though we are somehow associated with that idiotic cult. Now, you are either...
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    Our Moral God

    What?
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    Our Moral God

    I absolutely is! The Mormons claim to believe in Jesus! They claim themselves to be Christian! From now on, from this day, until you repent of this utter stupidity, I will refer to you as a Mormon on the basis that you believe "like" a Mormon. I'll read the rest of your post based entirely on...
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    Our Moral God

    I agree.
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    Our Moral God

    It would seem that His glory is the bulk of that which He emptied Himself of but I agree that the human nature was definitely added. The point that I guess I'm making is that once it was added, it didn't remain a separate thing but that it became part of who He is, that His nature (singular) is...
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    Our Moral God

    I go back and forth think that our difference here is semantic in nature. Jury is still out. It was more than just His body that died. HE DIED! Jesus died in every way that any other RIGHTEOUS man has ever died. His Spirit was separated from His body (physical death) and He was separated from...
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    Our Moral God

    What does that mean, "took on a SECOND nature"? He does not have two natures, so far as I can see. He has One totally divine, totally righteous, totally perfect nature that now includes being a man. No. Yes. Wrong question. The question, as posed, presupposes the idea that this human nature...
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    Our Moral God

    I've heard this my whole life and never really understood what it meant. I'm pretty sure that I've never seen anyone establish it biblically. It seems to me that God the Son became a man and died and rose from the dead - period. He is now both God and a human. His nature changed, to be sure...
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    Our Moral God

    I get the humor in your comment but the meaning of "death" isn't nearly as obvious as the meaning of the word "mortal", right? "mortal" is sort of a yes or a no issue. One can either die or not. What does it mean to die, that's a completely different ball game. Maybe that's where Gary's...
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