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Why do people who know they've been cornered feel like double speak is a way out? I will never understand just who it is they're trying to convince! The concept is a reality because concepts exist in a mind but do numbers exist as something other than a concept? In what way is it external to...

@nikolai_42 seems to be trying to NOT understand. This is just not that difficult a concept to grasp. N42, do you believe that numbers actually exist, in the ontological sense? Is the number 42 a real thing in the same sense that a rock is a real thing or it is a concept? I'm not talking about...

Are you really sitting there trying to convince me that you'd have no power, no ability, no way at all of refusing a bowl of vanilla ice cream, that it's utterly outside your decision making ability and that you will eat that bowl of ice cream, without any doubt whatsoever and without any chance...

There is no contradiction, just a misunderstanding or an ignoring of the context. Time does not exist ontologically. Time does exist as a concept. Open Theist do not object to the use of the concept of time - at all. What we object to is pretending that time is more than just an idea and that...

The identity principle is the foundation of all knowledge. What is, is. A is A. It's more than a principle it is a law of reason. ALL intelligible communication has it as a core presupposition. It has two corollaries which together make up the three laws of reason... 1. The law of identity...

Sorry, Lon! I couldn't follow any of that. Probably not in the sense you mean it, although I'm having dificulty knowing just what you're getting at here, so it depends, I suppose. Speaking for myself, I wouldn't say that God isn't timeless because He experiences both duration and sequence and...

I suppose from a certain perspective that a concept's necessary conditions could be considered part of that things definition but only by implication and your insistence on making them explicit it is making this discussion almost impossible because you refuse to acknowledge the distinction...

No! JR made the whole argument above. Time is not a thing, its an idea and the question cannot even be asked without employing a self-contradiction. There can be no such thing as "BEFORE" time. The proposition is as textbook an example of a self-stultifying concept as there could ever be.

Okay, first of all, pointing out that there's a lot of people who agree, IS NOT AN APPEAL TO POPULARITY FALLACY!!!!! You just cannot understand how much it drives me crazy when people do this sort of thing! It's just so much hubris. It's just an attempt to say something that makes you sound...

Why didn't you answer the question, Lon? Love cannot exist without the ability to do otherwise! No moral act of any kind can exist without the ability to do otherwise. The ability to do otherwise is what it means to have a will. You MUST be able to choose if the term "morality" is to have any...

No! NO! NO! Where is this even coming from? Where is the payoff for you to water this down? The reason He knew was because of the outcry, not because He knows everything there is to know! Not only that, but He doesn't take the testimony of those He's heard from as proof but it going down...

That would be redundant. To do or to do otherwise refers to any act, whether in thought, word or deed.

I have no time except to say one thing.... I do not, nor does any open theist I have ever read, define the word love as "the ability to do otherwise". If anything that is what it means to have a will. Do you believe that it would be conceptually possible for a being that had no will to love...

There are such variations in every school of thought whether theological or otherwise. It doesn't make it that hard to follow logically. You just have to pay attention to who you're reading and understand why he's saying what he's saying. I submit that those open theists who disagree with me...

Okay, so there's no way I can respond to all of your post. I'd be here till Christmas 2026! There are several theodicies that people have formulated. They seem to all mention free will but any of them produced by Catholics or Calvinists or Methodists universally give mere lip service to free...

The reason you cannot do it is because it is a contradiction. In fact, it is a specific kind of contradiction known as a stolen concept fallacy. The concept of existences presupposes (i.e. it is logically dependent upon) the concept of duration and when you speak of duration you are employing...

I could have almost guest that! The procession of rifles isn't prohibited outright.... New York Buyer: 21+ for handguns, 16+ for long guns (federal law limits purchases to 18+), permit required to purchase handguns, no waiting period Concealed carry: Allowed with permit, generally does not...

Time does not exist ontologically. Time is an idea. It exists only as a convention of language used to convey information related to the duration and sequence of events relative to other events. Done! And it isn't my opinion, either. It is a specific and very valid form of argument called an...

What state do you live in?

Time is an idea, not an actual thing, so your comment makes no sense. There are several things that you could mean by the statement and so, by definition, it does not stand on its own. Yes, well when stupid people say stupid things they often think thet're being pithy and wise. That doesn't...