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Yeah, the devotion might be a bit borderline of what I would be comfortable with. I would probably enjoy the music a lot though. Jazz can be quite spiritual.

Will get back to you on the PM soon.

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Did I tell you about the Catholic charismatic healer who was in town the other week, Damian Stayne? Quite the fellow. Apparently there are many more charismatic Catholics than some of us thought.

Christianity is predicated upon the belief in a God who knows the number of hairs on your head and fashioned the whole of what is...which is why when we come tot he part where we're told His ways are not our ways and His thoughts not our thoughts it seems an apt summation. I think Christ presents an inarguably simple faith, whatever men have done with it. And I think Christ accomplished the means by which men can be reconciled to God and inherit the relational place we were meant for as the object upon which love can express its nature.

It is definitely a spiritual work. You can read the famous linear notes by John Coltrane here: http://kristiner.com/assets/classes/B23/alovesupreme.jpg

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It was a fantastic ale. A solid 95/100 bneer. Think you can get it in the US as well, but probably only in specialist stores. It is called Haandbryggeriet Bestefar.

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That sounds quite amazing. I love that album. Was that in the Episcopal church?

My weekend has been nice. Spent the evening at my brothers place trying one of this years Christmas ales on friday.

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How is it going?

Had a chance to look at the PM yet?

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I think it's inevitable, reasonably, considering how little of Christendom appears to agree on much more, in terms of exegesis.

What we apprehend is a combination of our particular thoughts and experiences, as set against the understanding that God transcends them. The lesson is the whole narrative of Christ on the cross. What is sufficient and what he was accomplishing are found there. :cheers:

Maybe a better way of saying this...there's what we apprehend about the applied nature of God and what we must understand, both as a rational extension of scale and by the light of scripture, which is that our understanding is insufficient.

I believe in a fundamentally simple faith that begins with the narrative of Christ on the cross and its lesson and needn't move much further. If you think about it, we have the sacrifice of love, redemption through reliance and reconciliation. The rest is commentary.

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Yes, that's very good. :thumb: I too think it comes from analytic language philosophy. I wrote a metaphysics paper on a very similar topic, with a focus on Rudolph Carnap's claims along the same lines. It is interesting how closely this phenomenon is tied to empiricism and verificationism. Part of it is the idea that all language must have mathematically precise meaning, without any ambiguity or imprecision. The old philosophers were aware of the folly of this idea, but the anthropologists and philologists too know how unrealistic and incorrect such a notion is.

:chuckle: Me neither. But I am glad you ratified my thought, for it confirms that I've been moderately successful in pinning it down. Sophistic reasoning has something of an ability to evade this truth. Aristotle knew that well, and was probably one of the clearest writers on the topic. :e4e:

I suppose I don't see a real difference between what we believe about God and what we believe is essential. Or maybe I'm just missing the distinction. It isn't possible to approach the subject without conceptualizing...but what I'm suggesting is that the investment of faith and trust must be in a concept of God that allows for our ignorance of particulars, must recognize our inability to encompass and judge, so that when something comes that we cannot reconcile in the moment we rest, not on our particular understanding, but on our broader investment of trust and understanding of our inescapable limitations. The fault, where there is fault, must be in ourselves and doubt, should doubt enter, is then rightly placed in our particular understanding.

I absolutely love Tom Waits, one of my favorite musicians. Many of his songs can probably seem a bit coarse for some Christians, but I think he is a terrific song writer and his lyrics are filled with great imagery, storytelling and humor. My favorite part about him is that so many of his songs also convey what I see as a beautiful Christian message. He sympathizes with the downtrodden and the blue collar crowds (as he once said in an interview, no one recognized him at a record store, but when he went on a school excursion with his children to the junkyard, people kept approaching him there :chuckle:). Some tracks you might enjoy:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zu8mS5job10

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rxIG2msJ7ow

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUE-ic_Q0g4

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That would be Tom Waits.

Weekend has been alright. Raining a lot, so I haven't done anything special. Just some relaxing with some friends. You?

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Halloween isn't really celebrated here. At least not among adults.

You got the PM? I guess H&G are making a second rack now lain:

Speaking of, are you prepared for Halloween? :chuckle:

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Indy is in the same rough position Denver once was...a qb that can cover a number of sins overall, but when faced with the right opposition it all comes unglued. We need a real overhaul on defense or that fire power will lead us into a SD like pattern of achievement that never really moves us anywhere.

I like your team. Top to bottom solid and with a few additions it could be special in a way KC hasn't been since Green gave it a spin.

The Tide does appear to be rising, but the SEC is brutal this year and we're about as iffy as I can remember. Up and down. A lot of talent in need of cohesion and the clock is ticking.

Well, your boys crushed the lowly if game Rams, as predicted. Next up, the hapless Jets, then a sometimes worrisome Bills squad before your test by fire as Seattle comes to town. :think:

How is H&G's rack coming along? lain:

Blessings