kmoney

:chuckle:

That is a weird dream :chuckle: One day I would like to visit the US though, never been there.

I'm alright. All in all things are good, but got some concerns. I'm very soon done and ready to enter the priesthood, just months away now. I do however feel that is about time to settle down though, would like to find myself a spouse at some point

Other than that. In this limbo period just before the final act, I'm looking at the classical theism of Hart, Jenson's systematic theology and Fiddes suffering God theology. Trying to see how I could fit what I think is important in all of them together, which is easier said than done...

:e4e:

I deserve that.

You asked me once what theology of the cross meant. This image sums it up rather nicely: https://scontent-ams3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xap1/v/t1.0-9/1969135_10152187641660999_1402426343_n.jpg?oh=1422cdd393055b6f1b0680ea9771872d&oe=564447C9

:e4e:

That book looks interesting. Although if I was going to do a study on Revelation, I think it would be along the lines of Christology and the relationship between God, the lamb and the seven spirits of God in Revelation, as well as the Old Testament allusions in those texts.

Yeah, baptism is a form of commitment. At the same time, it is primarily a commitment not to a particular church, but to the universal apostolic church.

I'm not that familiar with Harry Potter. Never got into the books and I only saw the first movie when it came out ages ago.

Did you start on Jenson?

:e4e:

I know there has been some links made to the Shekinha in the Old Testament narrative. Namely that the Shekinah goes with the people of Israel into exile, into suffering. These links are then also often associated with a Shekinah Christology, with Christ as location of the Shekinah of God. A location that is then interpreted as more full and intense than the presence in the temple (which makes sense of Jesus' temple rebuilding prediction).

The great thing about being a Chiefs' fan, I'd think, is that you don't have to worry about the post season interfering with travel plans and whatnots. :shocked:

Have you had your "This could be the year, 20__!" tattoo updated yet?

Doing find, kmo. Working on a new novel and living the sweet country existence...which mostly involves chasing raccoons and possums away from the dog dish on the side porch at night. Lazy dog. The deer aren't even worried about her now. Had two grazing bold as brass the other day, just outside the yard proper but inside the tractor mow at the edge of the woods.

Cheeky deer.

...A short list of posters followed by their favorite irritant.
meshak: trins
stripe: evolutionists, homosexuals, lawyers
Eeset: rules she didn't make, neg rep, bench time, me
chrys: leftists, independents, right wingers who aren't right enough, neg rep, unions, popularity, dogs, me, SBG and OSAS
aCW: homosexuals, homosexualists, NAACP, ACLU, communists, people he thinks might be communists, people who can spell communist
GFR: homosexuals, homosexuals, homosexuals, homosexuals, homosexuals, homosexuals, homosexuals (and that's just this week)
republicanchick: reason

kmoney: professional football (he's a Chief's fan, so they don't have it where he lives).

So his project can in a sense be said to be to see how the suffering God can inspire worship and how that would affect the relationship between God and mankind. This is of course a rather strong form of theologia crucis. It must be supplemented with the glory and victory of God in the resurrection.

Given baptism any more thought?

:e4e:

He is a form of kenotic theologian I would say. God is, as I understand him, not metaphysically limited as in "orthodox" process thought, but rather self-limiting in the act of creation due to his wish for genuine relationship. You can say that he combines a statement of Whitehead with a famous Bonhoeffer statement:

"The power of God is the worship he inspires" (Whitehead)

and

"God lets himself be pushed out of the world on to the cross. He is weak and powerless in the world, and that is precisely the way, the only way, in which he is with us and helps us ... The Bible directs man to God's powerlessness and suffering; only the suffering God can help.
This opens up a way of seeing the God of the Bible, who wins power and space in the world by his weakness." (Bonhoeffer)

Fiddes attempts to balance the view that God always enters into suffering and with it forgiveness, but he wants to say that this happens to a unique degree in the person of Jesus. Fiddes uses process ideas in his theology without fully embracing the entire system of thought:

"Above all, the cross of Jesus is the word in which he gives himself away most deeply. It is a self-communication in the non-verbal medium of suffering, which communicates where literal words cannot, so that we are persuaded through the very situation and the feelings of God." (Paul S. Fiddes)

A third option as well If I'm going down the biblical studies path, I would really be interested in doing something on Revelation, that book has been of interest to me for a while.

LOTR is great, been a while since I've seen the movies though. Would like to see the extended editions if I was going to watch them again.

Which church are you attending these days? Still the episcopalian one?

:e4e:

It would be largely based on Paul Fiddes idea of creative suffering and his voyage of forgiveness view. For him, the act of forgiveness is not merely letting go of a wrong, but it is the two parties coming together in sympathy. The forgiver must try to understand the offender and the offender see his wrong and it will involve suffering, but a creative suffering that transforms. He also views soteriology like that, God would simply not forgive as in let go of sin, but enter into the human condition in sympathy and take that suffering upon himself. Was considering what I could do with that idea if I combined it with the likes of Welker and Jenson.

I could also continue on the trail of science and theology. I'm just a bit concerned that it would put the particularly Christian too much in the background for me.

Maybe on the slightly lesser known Alpacaselm of Woolsbury

I'm doing fine.

Haven't quite decided yet. Thinking something about Christology and soteriology, and how it relates to the act of forgiveness.

You?

:e4e:

How are you?

Busy again?

:e4e:

As far as I remember, I believe Borg rejects the resurrection as well. At that point it becomes hard to call it Christianity, then Jesus of Nazareth really just becomes a moral teacher that was quite inspiring.

I haven't decided against the military, but that is after the internship. Army chaplain would be a permanent position after my ordination. I'm playing with the idea of applying for a stipend for a doctoral research program though, if I can come up with an interesting project that I would want to work with. But just playing with that idea for now.

:e4e:

Likewise.

Hoping those ups and downs settle out for you.

I believe Marcus Borg would qualify as one.

Growing quite fond of Robert Jenson, his theology is quite interesting. There is an interesting lectures series online by him. You can download them here: http://jasongoroncy.com/2009/04/03/robert-jenson-the-2009-burns-lectures-on-video/. They are on the relationship between the creeds and scripture and.

I'm waiting for more details, but I have narrowed down the area I'm going to at least.

:e4e:

By the way, I should note that even if I have some disagreements with Welker about eschatology (and even that might be a misunderstanding or misreading on my part), the book is really excellent. I might misunderstand him a bit because he is very set on that eschatology (like the resurrection of Christ) must be both continuity (with what was) and discontinuity.

:e4e: