Clefty, I literally cannot see you any longer.  You will always have the last word.   What I did see, from the front page, was your name as the last one to enter a comment on one of my threads.    Unless another quotes you and I happen to see it.  You'll always have the last word.  There is no profit or God's glory in discussions between us.   For me, a lost cause.   I don't believe you can even return this message with you on ignore.   My prayer is you keep reading your Bible and know Grace.    -Lon