Because of sin, Christ gave the law through Moses to his people to guide them in living righteous lives.
Your opinion on God’s Law.
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Because of sin, Christ gave the law through Moses to his people to guide them in living righteous lives.
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Before the cross he did, since then it has expired and God's people are guided by the Spirit.
At Horeb, the rock symbolized Christ and the water symbolized the holy Spirit from which all the people drank.
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So what! We are under grace today not law.
The law of Christ is mentioned twice in the scriptures. The Law of Moses, as far as I can tell from scripture, does not have an end in that it is eternal or everlasting or God's word forever.
If I am saying we as Christians are not under the Law, and I am, that does not refute anything I have said. I don't know what you are seeing that you think I am not seeing.
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Read Hebrews it did have an end.
Read the Torah. Read Hebrews. Read Jeremiah before Hebrews. There is a new covenant not like the old.
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You're talking out of both sides of your mouth Jacob. We are either under the law (governed by it) or we are not. Christians who are under grace are guided by the Holy Spirit. The Spirit of truth tells us right from wrong making the law with the written code obsolete.
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Yes the new covenant of grace has replaced the covenant of law. For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.
What is becoming obsolete? Was it becoming obsolete before Christ (see Jeremiah, interpret reading Hebrews) but it is no longer becoming obsolete. That is the question with this verse in Hebrews.
We live by the Spirit and we are not under the Law. That does not abolish the Law.
The Law of Moses is God's instruction to the nation of Israel through the prophet Moses. The whole world is accountable to God by it.
What do you mean when you say the new covenant of grace has replaced the covenant of law? What new covenant of grace, and why do you say the covenant of law or that the covenant of law has been replaced? What covenant of law?
The Law of Moses corresponds to the old covenant, the covenant God made with the nation of Israel.
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If I open my bible today the law (5 books of Moses) are still there but they have been fulfilled by Christ. Jesus fulfilled every type and shadow of the law so he has control now not the law.
In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away. Heb. 8:13
Do you remember that the fault was not with the Law but with the people who broke it?
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I'm not going to debate ad nauseam with a law monger. If you want to keep the law go keep it, maybe you'll learn something.
I have been keeping God's Law and I don't see how anyone would ever say there is anything wrong doing so. I am not under the Law. I don't know what you mean by law monger. I hope you don't have anything against God's Law.
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The law was faulty and the writer of Hebrews says this over and over. It could not remove sin so it was imperfect. The new or better covenant can remove all sin so it is superior.
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You don't keep the law. You're not Jewish, there is no temple anymore and no priesthood. The law revolved around the temple and sacrificial offering - are you even aware of that?
Jeremiah 31:31-32 NASB - 31 "Behold, days are coming," declares the LORD, "when I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah, 32 not like the covenant which I made with their fathers in the day I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt, My covenant which they broke, although I was a husband to them," declares the LORD.
The Law of Moses is the Law of God. There is nothing wrong with God's Law.
I am both Jewish and Christian, by choice. I am a Christian, a new covenant believer, and I practice Jewish things (such as the Ten Commandments, eating kosher foods, observing the feasts and holy days of Torah, etc...). I have learned much from obeying God's commands found in the covenant God made with the nation of Israel through the prophet Moses.
Jesus is my Lord. I obey God and Jesus. Jesus observed and taught the Law. He did not come to abolish the Law or the Prophets, but to fulfill.