This is not about the works of the law. The Law contains commandment to love God and your neighbor.
Your opinion on God’s Law.
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This is not about the works of the law. The Law contains commandment to love God and your neighbor.
Sin is a trespass of the Law, it's an offense to God. We don't continue to sin after being saved. That says we still need to obey Law after being saved, unless you want to offend God Himself willfully. Our righteousness is not measured by Law though. It is because God doesn't expect as to obey Law perfectly, or else we don't need Jesus Christ. He expects us to obey the Law but will fail here and there. James said that when we fail at one point, we thus fail the Law as a whole.
As a result, we need to first secure our salvation by following Jesus Christ's teachings and commands, to make sure that we will be saved by faith. Then we need to obey the Law in order to try our best not to offend God. Look for God's forgiveness shall you failed at some point.
Law on the other hand, refers to the set of Law attached to our default covenant which is born with us. As a gentile, you need to obey the Law God has written in our hearts. As a Jew, you thus need to obey the Mosaic Law. If you failed the Mosaic Law as a Jew, which actually makes you a gentile instead of a Jews. The New Covenant still applies under both circumstance. That is, whether you are a Jew or a gentile you can be saved by faith as the ultimate Grace granted through Jesus Christ.
heir
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The lawful use of the law is to show from the scriptures the need for the Saviour, the Lord Jesus Christ.
heir
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Another poster in ignorance of the but now where the righteousness of God without the law by the faith of Jesus Christ is manifested (Romans 3:21-22 KJV).
Do you mean to say that we should sin at will? It's you who are ignorant, and clueless too!
Romans 3:21 (NIV)
But now apart from the law the righteousness of God has been made known, to which the Law and the Prophets testify.
It means that our righteousness is no longer measured by Law, just like I said in my previous post.
heir
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How many of your trespasses are not forgiven?
Those who are saved are dead to the law by the body of Christ (Romans 7:4 KJV)
Galatians 4:9 KJV
We don't have any except that of the Lord Jesus Christ imputed up[on us (Romans 3:21-22 KJV). Do you have IT?
Galatians 2:21 KJV
Galatians 5:2 KJV
If James 2:10 KJV is written TO you, you're in a heap of trouble then.
That is not the gospel of your salvation.
Your trying to keep it for salvation is the offence (Galatians 5:11 KJV)
Why don't you already have it?
heir
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We don't have righteousness (Romans 3:10-12 KJV). The righteousness ibn the but now which is unto all and upon all them that believe is the righteousness of God by the faith OF Jesus Christ! It's the standard and there's only one way to get it.
heir
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Christ died for our sins, was buried and rose again the third day according to the scriptures (1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV)! Christ ROSE victorious! He was raised again for our justification proving that God the Father accepted Christ's FULL PAYMENT for the wages of sin which is death (Romans 5:12 KJV, Romans 6:23 KJV).
Sin/sins is NOT THE ISSUE today! All of the work necessary to save anyone today was accomplished by God through the faith and finished work of the Lord Jesus Christ in the WORLD'S place!
2 Corinthians 5:19 KJV To wit, that God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself, not imputing their trespasses unto them; and hath committed unto us the word of reconciliation.
2 Corinthians 5:21 KJV For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him.
1 Timothy 2:4-6 KJVWho will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. 5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus; 6 Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.
If you at this moment are an unbeliever (and your posts testify that you are), the only thing stopping you from being saved is your unbelief because even though the righteousness of God available UNTO YOU by the faith of Jesus Christ, it is not UPON YOU until that moment in your life when you trust the Lord believing Christ died for your sins according to the scriptures and that He was buried and rose again the third day according to the scriptures. Trust the Lord for salvation and the righteousness of God will be imputed to you (Romans 3:21-22, Romans 4:23-25)
I believe you are saying the new covenant and salvation by faith is for both Jew and those under the Law and Gentile and those not under the Law.
A Christian is not under the Law. Christians are not to transgress God's Law. Christians have been born again, not of works, and have salvation by grace through faith. A Christian may be a Jew or a Greek/Gentile.
Are you a new creature in Christ? Are you saved by grace through faith, not of works?
The Law is for sinners and it does show sinners their sin and need for a Savior, God and Jesus Christ our Lord.
Do those who are saved sin? What do you think? Sin is transgression of the Law and Christians are not or should not be law-breakers / transgressors.
PneumaPsucheSoma
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The Mosaic Law was a COVENANT, not legislation; and its existence was provision for the Theocracy of Israel to fulfill the Abrahamic Covenant of Faith.
Law (in Greek) is nomos... distribution, allocation, allotement, assignment, apportionment. As a noun, nomos is the thing distributed, which is God's righteousness as the standard for inward character and outward conduct.
Any conversation about law as legislation is not valid. Jesus Christ was the final and personified distribution of God's righteousness, into whom we are translated. The law ceased in Christ, who is the law for all everlasting.
Law (in Greek) is nomos... distribution, allocation, allotement, assignment, apportionment. As a noun, nomos is the thing distributed, which is God's righteousness as the standard for inward character and outward conduct.
Any conversation about law as legislation is not valid. Jesus Christ was the final and personified distribution of God's righteousness, into whom we are translated. The law ceased in Christ, who is the law for all everlasting.
PneumaPsucheSoma
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Sin is trangression of the law, yes. And sin, transgression, and law are all NOUNS in that passage, not verbs.
I don't see it as legislation. Jesus said He did not come to abolish the Law or the Prophets, but to fulfill.
The temple had been destroyed before, but it was rebuilt.
Is that why Paul said we must reverently work out our own salvation?
It's easy to talk the talk, but we need to also walk the walk. We must overcome our innate propensity to sin.
heir
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It certainly does not say "work for your own salvation" (Philippians 2:12 KJV) as you would like it to! How many of your sins did Christ not die for?
Your walk is between you and the Lord and is for reward, not salvation (1 Corinthians 3:10-15 KJV). You need concern yourself with the seven fold unity of the Spirit that YOU are endevour to keep (Ephesians 4:1-5 KJV).
heir
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We are dead to the law by the Body of Christ. You keep wanting to put a yoke of bondage on us and you are wrong to do so. Get over the law and get on with the ministry of reconciliation!
PneumaPsucheSoma
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You missed the part where nomos (law) is distribution, and He fulfilled it by being the final distribution of God's righteousness.
Law, as a noun, is the thing distributed. Christ was distributed in the Incarnation. He is the law, having fulfilled the anarthrous of the noun law.
I am talking about the content of 1 Timothy 1.