You are a Jew,everyone is a descendant of the Jews:

[Gary K]

I just have to ask, what is the point here?

Romans 2: 28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:
29 But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.

I will point out the following though, Paul points to the circumcision of the heart also in Colossians 2:11.

11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:

This is a reference to a promise given in Deuteronomy 30:6.

6 And the Lord thy God will circumcise thine heart, and the heart of thy seed, to love the Lord thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, that thou mayest live.

Now, that was given to Israelites just before the death of Moses and their crossing into the Promised land. But, interestingly enough, that promise included all who were at the readings of this law that were to be repeated on a regular basis were included in the promise for Moses said the blessings and cursings found in the book of Deuteronomy were for all who heard the reading of the the law found in Deuteronomy.

Deuteronomy 31: 12 Gather the people together, men, and women, and children, and thy stranger that is within thy gates, that they may hear, and that they may learn, and fear the Lord your God, and observe to do all the words of this law:
13 And that their children, which have not known any thing, may hear, and learn to fear the Lord your God, as long as ye live in the land whither ye go over Jordan to possess it.

In this reference to circumision of the heart we see the gleamings of what Jesus said to Nicodemus.

3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.
4 Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother’s womb, and be born?
5 Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
6 That which is born of the flesh is flesh; and that which is born of the Spirit is spirit.
7 Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again.
8 The wind bloweth where it listeth, and thou hearest the sound thereof, but canst not tell whence it cometh, and whither it goeth: so is every one that is born of the Spirit.
9 Nicodemus answered and said unto him, How can these things be?
10 Jesus answered and said unto him, Art thou a master of Israel, and knowest not these things?

Paul completes the circle in Colossians 2 and Romans 2 for he is clearly referencing the new birth experience in his comments on the circumcision of the heart.

 

[WatchmanOnTheWall]

OK, I watched the silly video. Some of the dumbest crap that I've ever seen.

I'm glad you could see that you where wrong about your first comment and there took my advice and watched the video. Well done. However, your choice of words to describe the content of the video 'dumbest crap' reveals not only your level of vocabulary but also your level of reasoning and education, which in turn explains why you did not understand the video's content. It does require some (basic) knowledge of maths, statistics and genetics.

 

[WatchmanOnTheWall]

I just have to ask, what is the point here?



I will point out the following though, Paul points to the circumcision of the heart also in Colossians 2:11.



This is a reference to a promise given in Deuteronomy 30:6.



Now, that was given to Israelites just before the death of Moses and their crossing into the Promised land. But, interestingly enough, that promise included all who were at the readings of this law that were to be repeated on a regular basis were included in the promise for Moses said the blessings and cursings found in the book of Deuteronomy were for all who heard the reading of the the law found in Deuteronomy.



In this reference to circumision of the heart we see the gleamings of what Jesus said to Nicodemus.



Paul completes the circle in Colossians 2 and Romans 2 for he is clearly referencing the new birth experience in his comments on the circumcision of the heart.

Not sure who you're replying to but if you could please respond to the OP on this thread it would be appreciated and helpful.

 

[Right Divider]

I'm glad you could see that you where wrong about your first comment and there took my advice and watched the video.

No, actually I was correct.

Well done. However, your choice of words to describe the content of the video 'dumbest crap' reveals not only your level of vocabulary but also your level of reasoning and education, which in turn explains why you did not understand the video's content. It does require some (basic) knowledge of maths, statistics and genetics.

I understand it completely. And it's crappola (is that better?).

 

[WatchmanOnTheWall]

No, actually I was correct.


I understand it completely. And it's crappola (is that better?).

Not really. :comeout:

 

[iamaberean]

You are a Jew,everyone is a descendant of the Jews:

The preacher is wrong in the fact that he shows an ever increasing kinship in geology going back, actually the descendants available would decrease when going back. We know that from Jacob (Israel) the descendants are listed from his children. The 12 tribes came from the children of Jacob.

All the Jews are of Israel, but not all of Israel are of Judah.

 

[CherubRam]

After the immediate gross error, no.

This is what God has spoken through His prophets.


Genesis 17:3
Abram fell facedown, and God said to him, 4. "As for me, this is my covenant with you: You will be the father of many nations. 5. No longer will you be called Abram; your name will be Abraham, for I have made you a father of many nations. 6. I will make you very fruitful; I will make nations of you, and kings will come from you. 7. I will establish my covenant as an everlasting covenant between me and you and your descendants after you for the generations to come, to be your God and the God of your descendants after you.


Genesis 35:11
And God said to him, "I am God Almighty; be fruitful and increase in number. A nation and a community of nations will come from you, and kings will come from your body.


Exodus 12:37
The Israelites journeyed from Rameses to Succoth. There were about six hundred thousand men on foot, besides women and children. 38. Many other people went up with them, as well as large droves of livestock, both flocks and herds.


Leviticus 19:34
The alien living with you must be treated as one of your native-born. Love him as yourself, for you were aliens in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.


Leviticus 24:22
You are to have the same law for the alien and the native-born. I am the LORD your God.


Numbers 15:15
The community is to have the same rules for you and for the alien living among you; this is a lasting ordinance for the generations to come. You and the alien shall be the same before the LORD :


Joshua 8:33
All Israel, aliens and citizens alike, with their elders, officials and judges, were standing on both sides of the ark of the covenant of the LORD, facing those who carried it—the priests, who were Levites. Half of the people stood in front of Mount Gerizim and half of them in front of Mount Ebal, as Moses the servant of the LORD had formerly commanded when he gave instructions to bless the people of Israel.


Esther 8:17
In every province and in every city, wherever the edict of the king went, there was joy and gladness among the Jews, with feasting and celebrating. And many people of other nationalities became Jews because fear of the Jews had seized them.

The word "Jew" was a nickname assigned by the Babylonians to anyone who either lived in or came from the area of Judea.

Psalm 2:4
The One enthroned in heaven laughs; the Lord scoffs at them. 5. Then he rebukes them in his anger and terrifies them in his wrath, saying, 6. "I have installed my King
on Zion, my holy hill." 7. I will proclaim the decree of the LORD : He said to me, "You are my Son; today I have become your Father. 8. Ask of me, and I will make the nations your inheritance, the ends of the earth your possession.


Psalm 82:8
Rise up, O God, judge the earth, for all the nations are your inheritance.


Psalm 111:6
He has shown his people the power of his works, giving them the lands of other nations.


Isaiah 9:3
You have enlarged the nation and increased their joy; they rejoice before you as people rejoice at the harvest, as men rejoice when dividing the plunder.


Isaiah 14:1
The LORD will have compassion on Jacob; once again he will choose Israel and will settle them in their own land. Aliens will join them and unite with the house of Jacob.


Isaiah 26:15
You have enlarged the nation, O LORD; you have enlarged the nation. You have gained glory for yourself;
you have extended all the borders of the land.


Isaiah 44:5
One will say, 'I belong to the LORD '; another will call himself by the name of Jacob; still another will write on his hand, ['The LORD's / Yahwah],' and will take the name Israel.


Isaiah 56:3
Let no foreigner who has bound himself to the LORD say, "The LORD will surely exclude me from his people."- 6. And foreigners who bind themselves to the LORD to serve him, to love the name of the LORD, and to worship him, all who keep the Sabbath without desecrating it
and who hold fast to my covenant-
7. these I will bring to my holy mountain and give them joy in my house of prayer. Their burnt offerings and sacrifices will be accepted on my altar; for my house will be called a house of prayer for all nations."
8. The Sovereign LORD declares— he who gathers the exiles of Israel: "I will gather still others to them besides those already gathered."


Ezekiel 47
21. "You are to distribute this land among yourselves according to the tribes of Israel. 22. You are to allot it as an inheritance for yourselves and for the aliens who have settled among you and who have children. You are to consider them as native-born Israelites; along with you they are to be allotted an inheritance among the tribes of Israel. 23. In whatever tribe the alien settles, there you are to give him his inheritance," declares the Sovereign LORD.


Zechariah 2:10
"Shout and be glad, O Daughter of Zion. For I am coming, and I will live among you," declares the LORD. 11. "Many nations will be joined with the LORD in that day and will become my people. I will live among you and you will know that the LORD Almighty has sent me to you. 12. The LORD will inherit Judah as his portion in the holy land and will again choose Jerusalem. 13. Be still before the LORD, all mankind, because he has roused himself from his holy dwelling."


Matthew 12:21
In his name the nations will put their hope."


The Parable of the Tenants
Luke 20
9. He went on to tell the people this parable: "A man planted a vineyard, rented it to some farmers and went away for a long time. 10. At harvest time he sent a servant to the tenants so they would give him some of the fruit of the vineyard. But the tenants beat him and sent him away empty-handed. 11. He sent another servant, but that one also they beat and treated shamefully and sent away empty-handed. 12. He sent still a third, and they wounded him and threw him out.
13. "Then the owner of the vineyard said, 'What shall I do? I will send my son, whom I love; perhaps they will respect him.' 14. "But when the tenants saw him, they talked the matter over. 'This is the heir,' they said. 'Let's kill him, and the inheritance will be ours.' 15. So they threw him out of the vineyard and killed him. "What then will the owner of the vineyard do to them? 16. He will come and kill those tenants and give the vineyard to others." When the people heard this, they said, "May this never be!" 17. Jesus looked directly at them and asked, "Then what is the meaning of that which is written:

" 'The stone the builders rejected
has become the capstone? 18. Everyone who falls on that stone will be broken to pieces, and he on whom it falls will be crushed."

19. The teachers of the law and the chief priests looked for a way to arrest him immediately, because they knew he had spoken this parable against them. But they were afraid of the people.


Acts 3:25
And you are heirs of the prophets and of the covenant God made with your fathers. He said to Abraham, 'Through your offspring all peoples on earth will be blessed.'


Romans 2:28
For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh: 29. But he is a Jew, which is one inwardly; and circumcision is that of the heart, in the spirit, and not in the letter; whose praise is not of men, but of God.


Romans 3:29
Is God the God of Jews only? Is he not the God of Gentiles too? Yes, of Gentiles too,


Romans 4:13
It was not through law that Abraham and his offspring received the promise that he would be heir of the world, but through the righteousness that comes by faith. 14. For if those who live by law are heirs, faith has no value and the promise is worthless, 15. because law brings wrath. And where there is no law there is no transgression.
16. Therefore, the promise comes by faith, so that it may be by grace and may be guaranteed to all Abraham's offspring—not only to those who are of the law but also to those who are of the faith of Abraham. He is the father of us all. 17. As it is written: "I have made you a father of many nations." He is our father in the sight of God, in whom he believed—the God who gives life to the dead and calls things that are not as though they were.


Romans 4:18
Against all hope, Abraham in hope believed and so became the father of many nations, just as it had been said to him, "So shall your offspring be."


Romans 8:17
Now if we are children, then we are heirs—heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ, if indeed we share in his sufferings in order that we may also share in his glory.


Romans 9:6
It is not as though God's word had failed. For not all who are descended from Israel are Israel. 7. Nor because they are his descendants are they all Abraham's children. On the contrary, "It is through Isaac that your offspring will be reckoned." 8. In other words, it is not the natural children who are God's children, but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham's offspring.


Romans 9:24
even us, whom he also called, not only from the Jews but also from the Gentiles?


Romans 10:12
For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile—the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him,...


Romans 10:19
Again I ask: Did Israel not understand? First, Moses says, "I will make you envious by those who are not a nation;...


1 Corinthians 14:21
In the Law it is written: "Through men of strange tongues and through the lips of foreigners I will speak to this people, but even then they will not listen to me," says the Lord.


Ephesians 2:12
remember that at that time you were separate from Christ, excluded from citizenship in Israel and foreigners to the covenants of the promise, without hope and without God in the world.


Ephesians 2:19
Consequently, you are no longer foreigners and aliens, but fellow citizens with God's people and members of God's household,...


Ephesians 3:6
This mystery is that through the gospel the Gentiles are heirs together with Israel, members together of one body, and sharers together in the promise in Christ Jesus.


Galatians 3:28
There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.


Galatians 3:29
If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.


Colossians 3:11
Here there is no Greek or Jew, circumcised or uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave or free, but Christ is all, and is in all.


Titus 3:7
so that, having been justified by his grace, we might become heirs having the hope of eternal life.

 

[WatchmanOnTheWall]

The preacher is wrong in the fact that he shows an ever increasing kinship in geology going back, actually the descendants available would decrease when going back. We know that from Jacob (Israel) the descendants are listed from his children. The 12 tribes came from the children of Jacob.

All the Jews are of Israel, but not all of Israel are of Judah.

At the beginning of the video he does say he is going to prove we are descendants of Israel (Jacob) but later, about half way through he clarifies that we are actually also descendants of the Jews (Judah).

Mathematically once we go back about 1000 years we are virtually descended from the vast majority of the people who lived on Earth at that time and with every doubling of the generations who we are related to, every 30 years or so, then it greatly increase the likelihood of being related to any individual who existed in history. This is just basic probability as he explained.

 

[iouae]

At the beginning of the video he does say he is going to prove we are descendants of Israel (Jacob) but later, about half way through he clarifies that we are actually also descendants of the Jews (Judah).

Mathematically once we go back about 1000 years we are virtually descended from the vast majority of the people who lived on Earth at that time and with every doubling of the generations who we are related to, every 30 years or so, then it greatly increase the likelihood of being related to any individual who existed in history. This is just basic probability as he explained.

The only way this can be thwarted is if a population only breeds with other members of that population.

But reading the Bible, although the Jews try to marry Jews, they sometimes don't. Thus, Jewish genes, like all other non-isolated population genes, leak into the wider population.

Another way this reasoning that everyone with some Jewish genes is a Jew goes wrong is as follows...

Suppose I sell you a Chihuahua puppy, and it grows as big as a Labrador, and you come back to me outraged. Would you be happy if I tell you it has some Chihuahua in it a few generations back?

A Jew is only a Jew if say 50% of their genes are Jewish or one parent. The proportion has to be high to REALLY be a jew.

 

[WatchmanOnTheWall]

The only way this can be thwarted is if a population only breeds with other members of that population.

But reading the Bible, although the Jews try to marry Jews, they sometimes don't. Thus, Jewish genes, like all other non-isolated population genes, leak into the wider population.

Another way this reasoning that everyone with some Jewish genes is a Jew goes wrong is as follows...

Suppose I sell you a Chihuahua puppy, and it grows as big as a Labrador, and you come back to me outraged. Would you be happy if I tell you it has some Chihuahua in it a few generations back?

A Jew is only a Jew if say 50% of their genes are Jewish or one parent. The proportion has to be high to REALLY be a jew.

You obviously did not understand the video, did you even watch it? You can't have done.

 

[iouae]

You obviously did not understand the video, did you even watch it? You can't have done.

I watched it and posted "Good video, worth a watch" to which you responded "Thank you for taking the time, I wish others here would.. "

So what did you disagree with? The video is making out that if you have one Jewish ancestor (gene) that makes you (technically) a Jew. By the same logic, if we have 95% chimp DNA that makes one a chimp.

 

[chair]

I watched it and posted "Good video, worth a watch" to which you responded "Thank you for taking the time, I wish others here would.. "

So what did you disagree with? The video is making out that if you have one Jewish ancestor (gene) that makes you (technically) a Jew. By the same logic, if we have 95% chimp DNA that makes one a chimp.

I agree with you.

Being Jewish is not simply a genetic thing, like the video assumes.

 

[WatchmanOnTheWall]

I watched it and posted "Good video, worth a watch" to which you responded "Thank you for taking the time, I wish others here would.. "

So what did you disagree with? The video is making out that if you have one Jewish ancestor (gene) that makes you (technically) a Jew. By the same logic, if we have 95% chimp DNA that makes one a chimp.

No, you're twisting and adding to what he said in the video. A Jew was and is anyone who is descended from Judah. Originally this was not a problem but as time has gone on it has got to the point where today everyone is basically a descendant of Judah, this is just a fact. The Israeli authorities are well aware of this and therefore today if someone wants to claim Israeli [Jewish] citizenship they only need to show that one of their parents or grand parents already have Israeli [Jewish] citizenship and no genetic test is required, because that would of course reveal the truth that most Israeli citizens have very little Israeli/Jewish genes or for that matter Middle Eastern genes. This is why Paul stated:

1 Timothy 1:4
or to devote themselves to myths and endless genealogies. Such things promote controversial speculations rather than advancing God's work--which is by faith.

Because from the moment Jesus died the old testament regulations regarding tribal birth and adoption were done away with and instead we are now spiritually grafted into the family of God by faith in Christ.

 

[iouae]

No, you're twisting and adding to what he said in the video. A Jew was and is anyone who is descended from Judah. Originally this was not a problem but as time has gone on it has got to the point where today everyone is basically a descendant of Judah, this is just a fact. The Israeli authorities are well aware of this and therefore today if someone wants to claim Israeli [Jewish] citizenship they only need to show that one of their parents or grand parents already have Israeli [Jewish] citizenship and no genetic test is required, because that would of course reveal the truth that most Israeli citizens have very little Israeli/Jewish genes or for that matter Middle Eastern genes.

That is what I said, that one would have to have one parent or a grandparent which is a minimum of 25% Jewish to call yourself a Jew. Not one great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great grandparent.

 

[meshak]

That is what I said, that one would have to have one parent or a grandparent which is a minimum of 25% Jewish to call yourself a Jew. Not one great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great grandparent.

you are so funny

 

[WatchmanOnTheWall]

That is what I said, that one would have to have one parent or a grandparent which is a minimum of 25% Jewish to call yourself a Jew. Not one great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great great grandparent.

You really don't get it.

Being Jewish in the Biblical sense (and real sense) is to be a descendant of Judah. Nobody today has 25% of Judah's genes; that is impossible.

What you're talking about is citizenship, which is just a piece of paper that states someone has a legal right to live in Israel and to which many people ascribe the term 'Jew' to that citizenship, even though there is no such thing as a real Jew in genetic terms, unless you count 99.999999% of the world's population who happen to have genes from our ancestor Judah.

 

[iouae]

You really don't get it.

Being Jewish in the Biblical sense (and real sense) is to be a descendant of Judah. Nobody today has 25% of Judah's genes; that is impossible.

What you're talking about is citizenship, which is just a piece of paper that states someone has a legal right to live in Israel and to which many people ascribe the term 'Jew' to that citizenship, even though there is no such thing as a real Jew in genetic terms, unless you count 99.999999% of the world's population who happen to have genes from our ancestor Judah.

Watchman, when one watches the Olympic teams go by in the march past, it is obvious the difference between the different nations. That is my favourite part of the Olympics, to see how Russians look different from Greeks, look different from Brazilians, look different from Israelis.

I attended a school where half the school was Jewish. I did not have to ask almost any fellow student if they were Jewish, I could tell by looking at them. And they comprised the top students in class, and we brought up the rear. Do you deny that there are folks which are obviously Jewish, and some not so obvious. And others clearly not Jewish.

Jewish is as real as Jamaican.

 

[WatchmanOnTheWall]

Watchman, when one watches the Olympic teams go by in the march past, it is obvious the difference between the different nations. That is my favourite part of the Olympics, to see how Russians look different from Greeks, look different from Brazilians, look different from Israelis.

I attended a school where half the school was Jewish. I did not have to ask almost any fellow student if they were Jewish, I could tell by looking at them. And they comprised the top students in class, and we brought up the rear. Do you deny that there are folks which are obviously Jewish, and some not so obvious. And others clearly not Jewish.

Jewish is as real as Jamaican.

This shows your ignorance about genetics. I look white northern European but 5% of my genes are middle eastern with a probability that some are from the region of Israel. What we look like on the out side is only indication of genetic heritage. Hitler didn't know that and look what happened.

 

[WatchmanOnTheWall]

you are so funny

Mocking is such an unbecoming trait and Un-Christian too. :carryon:

 

[meshak]

Mocking is such an unbecoming trait and Un-Christian too. :carryon:

ok, watchman

good day.