ECT Why shouldn't I convert from Evangelical Protestant to Catholic?

[Cruciform]

Everyone on this forum will point out what they believe is in error about other people's interpretation of the meaning of verses but YOU. You just run and hide!

Nonsense. What is wrong with your personal interpretations of the Bible is that they so often fail to comport with the authoritative teachings of Christ's one historic Church. It's really quite simple.

You say that "whosover" believes does not have everlasting life and will not have it until they believe and ARE BAPTIZED WITH WATER!

I believe what Christ's one historic Church has always taught, and continues to teach, as outlined here, here, and here. Your personal interpretations of the Bible, on the other hand, carry no binding doctrinal authority whatsoever.



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[Cruciform]

Yes, pre-programed androids is the perfect way to describe them.

You can go ahead and just apply that to yourself, friend, and to every other Protestant who merely parrots the opinions of his preferred recently-invented, man-made non-Catholic sect on this forum.



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[Old man]

You can go ahead and just apply that to yourself, friend, and to every other Protestant who merely parrots the opinions of his preferred recently-invented, man-made non-Catholic sect on this forum.

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And the same goes for you, a catholic who merely parrots the opinions of his preferred non-Scriptural man made catholic religious cult on this forum. (goose/gander)

 

[Cruciform]

And the same goes for you, a Catholic who merely parrots the opinions of his preferred non-Scriptural man made Catholic religious cult on this forum. (goose/gander)

• You admit, then, that you merely parrot the opinions you've been taught by your recently-invented, man-made non-Catholic sect. Good.
• Yes, I am here to explain and defend the authoritative teachings of Christ's one historic Catholic Church, rather than my own personal interpretations and opinions as you do.
• No, the Catholic Church is not "man-made"---that is, was established by no mere man---but is in fact that one historic Church founded by Jesus Christ himself, and against which he declared that the gates of hell would never prevail (Mt. 16:18-19; 1 Tim. 3:15). The same cannot be said of the myriad recently-invented, man-made sects of Protestantism.
• Your wildly uninformed claim that Christ's one historic Church is a "cult" is noted.

So much for your feeble attempt at undermining Christ's one historic Church with the corrupt traditions of your preferred recently-invented, man-made non-Catholic sect.



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[Old man]

RichRock;

If you haven't yet decided yet here is something else to consider.

You will have to learn how to repetitively recite over and over and over the so-called 'holy' rosary (you will find that many things become 'holy' in the RCC).

Here is a link explaining, you should also notice that Mary is addressed many many more times than either Christ or the Father and she is also addressed as the "Holy Queen".

www.marypages.com/pray.htm

Want to know where you can find a so-called 'queen' in the Scriptures being venerated and prayed to? Jer.7:18 (and the RCC denies their pagan origin):doh:

 

[Jerry Shugart]

Nonsense. What is wrong with your personal interpretations of the Bible is that they so often fail to comport with the authoritative teachings of Christ's one historic Church. It's really quite simple.

What is quite simple is the fact that you want nothing to do with any Scripture which proves what Rome teaches is in error. As I said earlier, before one can be baptized with water they had to first believe:

"And as they went on their way, they came unto a certain water: and the eunuch said, See, here is water; what doth hinder me to be baptized? And Philip said, If thou believest with all thine heart, thou mayest. And he answered and said, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God" (Acts 8:36-37).​

By the time a person has believed they receive everlasting life, and that is before a drop of water even touches them:

"For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life" (Jn.3:16).​

Since you obviously do not believe what is written there you do not even address the truth spoken of there. If the church at Rome was founded by the Lord Jesus then we wouldn't see such blunders taught by Rome.

 

[Cruciform]

...Scripture which proves what Rome teaches is in error.

"...is in error according to the opinions of your preferred recently-invented, man-made non-Catholic sect, anyway. And yet your chosen sect is decidedly NOT that one historic Church founded by Jesus Christ himself in 33 A.D., and so its opinions carry no binding doctrinal authority whatsoever---including its opinion that "what Rome teaches is in error."



Gaudium de veritate,

Cruciform
+T+

 

[Old man]

RichRock;

If you haven't yet decided yet here is something else to consider.

You will have to learn how to repetitively recite over and over and over the so-called 'holy' rosary (you will find that many things become 'holy' in the RCC).

Here is a link explaining, you should also notice that Mary is addressed many many more times than either Christ or the Father and she is also addressed as the "Holy Queen".

www.marypages.com/pray.htm

Want to know where you can find a so-called 'queen' in the Scriptures being venerated and prayed to? Jer.7:18 (and the RCC denies their pagan origin):doh:

 

[Cruciform]

RichRock;

If you haven't yet decided yet here is something else to consider.

You will have to learn how to repetitively recite over and over and over the so-called 'holy' rosary (you will find that many things become 'holy' in the RCC).

Here is a link explaining, you should also notice that Mary is addressed many many more times than either Christ or the Father and she is also addressed as the "Holy Queen".

www.marypages.com/pray.htm

Want to know where you can find a so-called 'queen' in the Scriptures being venerated and prayed to? Jer.7:18 (and the RCC denies their pagan origin):doh:

Rich is already quite familiar with the Catholic responses to all of these anti-Catholic claims, since they have been refuted a great many times on this forum. Old news. :yawn:

 

[Jerry Shugart]

"...is in error according to the opinions of your preferred recently-invented, man-made non-Catholic sect, anyway. And yet your chosen sect is decidedly NOT that one historic Church founded by Jesus Christ himself in 33 A.D., and so its opinions carry no binding doctrinal authority whatsoever---including its opinion that "what Rome teaches is in error."

The church at Rome was not founded by the Lord Jesus. The things taught in the church at Rome directly contradicts what the Apostle Paul said.

For instance, Rome teaches that no one can be saved unless they believe and are baptized with water. However, this is the answer Paul and those with him gave to the question as to what a person must do in order to be saved:

"And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved? And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house" (Acts 16:31).​

The leaders at Rome are so prideful that they think that they know more about salvation than did Paul. And you are just as bad!

 

[Cruciform]

The church at Rome was not founded by the Lord Jesus.

By the end of the 1st century (while John the apostle was still living), the one historic Church founded by Jesus Christ himself in 33 A.D.---and against which he declared that the gates of hell would never prevail (Mt. 16:18)---was already commonly known as "the Catholic Church." This is a straightforward historical fact.

The things taught in the Church at Rome directly contradicts what the Apostle Paul said.

Already decisively answered in Post #1727 above.



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[Old man]

Rich is already quite familiar with the Catholic responses to all of these anti-Catholic claims, since they have been refuted a great many times on this forum. Old news. :yawn:

Only in your dreams Cruciform, only in your dreams. Wishful thinking doesn't make it true.

 

[Jerry Shugart]

"...is in error according to the opinions of your preferred recently-invented, man-made non-Catholic sect, anyway. And yet your chosen sect is decidedly NOT that one historic Church founded by Jesus Christ himself in 33 A.D., and so its opinions carry no binding doctrinal authority whatsoever---including its opinion that "what Rome teaches is in error."

The church at Rome was not founded by the Lord Jesus. The things taught in the church at Rome directly contradicts what the Apostle Paul said.

For instance, Rome teaches that no one can be saved unless they believe and are baptized with water. However, this is the answer Paul and those with him gave to the question as to what a person must do in order to be saved:

"And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved? And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house" (Acts 16:31).​

The leaders at Rome are so prideful that they think that they know more about salvation than did Paul. And you are just as bad!

 

[Cruciform]

Only in your dreams Cruciform, only in your dreams. Wishful thinking doesn't make it true.

Feel free, then, to actually disprove my position, something you have thus far utter failed to do.

 

[Cruciform]

The Church at Rome was...

Already decisively answered (Post #1731).

 

[Jerry Shugart]

Already decisively answered (Post #1731).

How can you have decisively answered the verse since you did not even mention it?

You are a sad case!

 

[Cruciform]

How can you have decisively answered the verse since you did not even mention it?

I have decisively answered your basic position in Posts #1727 and #1731 above. Your personal interpretations of the Bible are entirely irrelevant, since you derived them from a recently-invented, man-made non-Catholic sect which is decidedly NOT that one historic Church founded by Jesus Christ himself (Mt. 16:18-19; 1 Tim. 3:15) and so whose opinions carry no doctrinal authority whatsoever.



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[lifeisgood]

I have decisively answered your basic position in Posts #1727 and #1731 above. Your personal interpretations of the Bible are entirely irrelevant, since you derived them from a recently-invented, man-made non-Catholic sect which is decidedly NOT that one historic Church founded by Jesus Christ himself (Mt. 16:18-19; 1 Tim. 3:15).

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I believe you would say this is the one:

1 Timothy 4:1 --- (Douay-Rheims Bible) --- Now the Spirit manifestly saith, that in the last times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to spirits of error, and doctrines of devils,

1 Timothy 4:2 --- (Douay-Rheims Bible) --- Speaking lies in hypocrisy, and having their conscience seared,

1 Timothy 4:3 --- (Douay-Rheims Bible) --- Forbidding to marry, to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving by the faithful, and by them that have known the truth.

 

[Old man]

Feel free, then, to actually disprove my position, something you have thus far utter failed to do.

disprove your position, utter failed to do?

Only in your dreams Cruciform, only in your dreams.

Catholic's are unable to see outside of the religious box they are in, nothing can be true but what the religion of Romanism has taught them. The Bible is secondary to the teachings of the church.

So disprove your position? That is impossible, one can not explain anything to a catholic that does not agree with their pre-programed man made catholic religion no matter how many Scriptures are used.

The RCC has created its own man made religious cult and it will allow no Truth of Scripture to disprove it.

 

[Cruciform]

disprove your position, utter failed to do?Only in your dreams Cruciform, only in your dreams.

Please cite the number of the post in which you supposedly "disproved" the Catholic position. We're waiting... :yawn:

Catholic's are unable to see outside of the religious box they are in, nothing can be true but what the religion of Romanism has taught them. The Bible is secondary to the teachings of the church.

Anti-Catholic's are unable to see outside of the religious box they are in, nothing can be true but what their preferred recently-invented, man-made non-Catholic sect has taught them. The Bible is secondary to the opinions of their chosen man-made sect.

So disprove your position? That is impossible...

At least we agree on that.

...one can not explain anything to a Catholic that does not agree with their pre-programed man made Catholic religion no matter how many Scriptures are used.

...one can not explain anything to an anti-Catholic that does not agree with their pre-programed man-made non-Catholic sect, no matter how many Scriptures are used.



Gaudium de veritate,

Cruciform
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