Do you believe in the Trinity?
ECT Why shouldn't I convert from Evangelical Protestant to Catholic?
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Do you believe in the Trinity?
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Exactly.
Every time someone goes to the Catholic church for mass, they bow down and make the sign of the cross---they are doing this to the "Holy Images" at the altar! The "Holy Images" are any pictures and statues at the altar. When we are in the Catholic religion---we sin against God and bow before IMAGES.
You know, the priest, before coming to the altar at the Catholic church at mass time, he is in a room called the sacristy. Before he comes to the front of the church where the altar is, he bows to the cross in the sacristy.
When the priest comes to the front of the church where the altar is, he bows again profoundly to the altar, and the crucifix put there when he begins mass.
He begins incensing the altar by incensing the crucifix on it, and bows to it every time he passes it; he also incenses any relics or images of saints that may be on the altar. In the same way Catholics command that all show a reverence to the cross or images of saints whenever we approach them.
Is anyone listening to me?
God says not to bow to any image.
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Read these scriptures...
2 Kings 18:1 In the third year of Hoshea son of Elah king of Israel, Hezekiah son of Ahaz king of Judah began to reign. 2 He was twenty-five years old when he became king, and he reigned in Jerusalem twenty-nine years. His mother’s name was Abijah daughter of Zechariah. 3 He did what was right in the eyes of the LORD, just as his father David had done. 4 He removed the high places, smashed the sacred stones and cut down the Asherah poles. He broke into pieces the bronze snake Moses had made, for up to that time the Israelites had been burning incense to it. (It was called Nehushtan.)
Remember, the bronze snake that Moses made? People who were bit by snakes looked to it and lived! Yet, when the Israelites later burned incense to that bronze snake, which they knew people looked at and lived---it was still wrong for them to do that, and a man of God DESTROYED the bronze snake.
Catholics bow down to and incense pictures and statues!!!
They do not know this is wrong?
The bronze snake that MOSES made was DESTROYED because the Israelites burned incense to it! Yet, the Catholic church does not know that they do wrong when they burn incense to material possessions?
2 Kings 18:1 In the third year of Hoshea son of Elah king of Israel, Hezekiah son of Ahaz king of Judah began to reign. 2 He was twenty-five years old when he became king, and he reigned in Jerusalem twenty-nine years. His mother’s name was Abijah daughter of Zechariah. 3 He did what was right in the eyes of the LORD, just as his father David had done. 4 He removed the high places, smashed the sacred stones and cut down the Asherah poles. He broke into pieces the bronze snake Moses had made, for up to that time the Israelites had been burning incense to it. (It was called Nehushtan.)
Remember, the bronze snake that Moses made? People who were bit by snakes looked to it and lived! Yet, when the Israelites later burned incense to that bronze snake, which they knew people looked at and lived---it was still wrong for them to do that, and a man of God DESTROYED the bronze snake.
Catholics bow down to and incense pictures and statues!!!
They do not know this is wrong?
The bronze snake that MOSES made was DESTROYED because the Israelites burned incense to it! Yet, the Catholic church does not know that they do wrong when they burn incense to material possessions?
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Only because you were taught by your particular man-made non-Catholic sect to "see" things that way.
In any case, you failed to answer the questions posed to you:
- First, who---that is, what human being or agency---possesses the inherent doctrinal authority to declare which teachings are "heresies" and which are not in a manner which is binding on all believers?
- Second, since it's clear that neither you, your pastor, nor your chosen non-Catholic sect possesses any such binding authority, why do you presume to pretend here that you do?
Gaudium de veritate,
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Actually, that was Jesus Christ and his Apostles.
No it wasn't.
There are many paths to God. Are you seeking? Ultimately, you have to seek, no one shall seek for you.
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You are not speaking truth.
I was raised strict Catholic.
I have already answered your questions.
Everyone is responsible for finding out what Jesus' teachings are in the written word.
False teachers confuse what is written.
Why do you think the false prophet will be put in the lake of fire?
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Where do you get that there are many paths to God?
You realize that there is no such thing when you talk about limbo.
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Irrelevant, since most of the rank heretics throughout history have been.
- Your answer, then, is that you possess the inherent doctrinal authority to declare which teachings are "heresies" and which are not in a manner which is binding upon all believers, correct?
- Also, go ahead and cite a single biblical text which states that God's word (Divine Revelation) is restricted to the written texts alone (sola scriptura), as you wrongly assume here.
Just as you have.
Gaudium de veritate,
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Limbo has never been a formal dogma of the Catholic faith, but was merely a pious idea that became popular during the Middle Ages. No Catholic has ever been obligated to affirm it.
Everything else in the source I cited stands exactly as posted. Jesus and the Apostles taught clearly and widely about the punishments of hell. Your claim to the contrary, therefore, simply falls flat.
Gaudium de veritate,
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I suggest you reassess what you think you believe.
Talking of which, you side stepped my earlier question....do you believe in the Trinity?
WOW, such lying to pretend that Catholicism still embraces the doctrine of eternal damnation which they created with the unholy Aquinas' help. Limbo/Purgatory evolved into eternal damnation in your church. Lying charlatans like you have been able to deny it, because few knew it was Aquinas who invented it.
I suggest you give your dogma to no one, and reform thyself first.
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Either post your proof for this claim, or have the intellectual honesty to retract it.
Weird, since this cites numerous sources in support of eternal damnation throughout Christian history---LONG before Aquinas lived in the 13th century. So much for your ridiculous claims.
Again, go ahead and post your proof.
Gaudium de veritate,
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2nd time you refuse to answer my question...do you believe in the Trinity?
Jehovah's Witness?
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It is not that hard to understand.
If it is man's teachings---then it is man's teachings.
If it is man's teachings, then it always goes against what the written Word says.
I can prove that easily.
Jesus says call no man 'father'.
The Catholics teach to call their brothers 'father'.
God says do not make a statue, and do not bow to it.
The Catholics make statues and bow to them.
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The trinity doctrine is false.