I agree. The historical life and path of Jesus did not resemble any Jewish tradition of what a messiah should be.
Why Jews Don't Accept Jesus?
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You lie about the Holy Scriptures.
You pick and chose what you want and throw out the rest.
Ben Masada
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Why Jews don't Accept Jesus?
Why Jews don't Accept Jesus?
Well, you could be right, considering that not a single Jew wrote a page of the NT. The reason though why I am here quoting and discrediting the NT is because the writers have used a Jew named Jesus to teach against his own Faith which was Judaism. Change Jesus' identity from a Jew to, for instance, a Greek and I am out.
Why Jews don't Accept Jesus?
Well, you could be right, considering that not a single Jew wrote a page of the NT. The reason though why I am here quoting and discrediting the NT is because the writers have used a Jew named Jesus to teach against his own Faith which was Judaism. Change Jesus' identity from a Jew to, for instance, a Greek and I am out.
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There are Jews who wrote in the New Testament. All the writings were from Jews.
Ben Masada
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Why Jews don't Accept Jesus?
Why Jews don't Accept Jesus?
The guy who wrote the gospel of Matthew says that Jesus was born of the Holy Spirit with Mary. (Mat. 1:18) That's not Jewish. Therefore, that gospel was not written by a Jew. The guy who wrote the gospel of John says that Jesus already existed before Abraham. (John 8:58) That's not Jewish. Therefore, that gospel was not written by a Jew; and so forth throughout the NT.
Why Jews don't Accept Jesus?
The guy who wrote the gospel of Matthew says that Jesus was born of the Holy Spirit with Mary. (Mat. 1:18) That's not Jewish. Therefore, that gospel was not written by a Jew. The guy who wrote the gospel of John says that Jesus already existed before Abraham. (John 8:58) That's not Jewish. Therefore, that gospel was not written by a Jew; and so forth throughout the NT.
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Ben Masada
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Why Jews don't Accept Jesus?
Why Jews don't Accept Jesus?
No, it is not and never was. If you want to prove to me that's Jewish show me a similar statement in the Tanach. Otherwise, I ask you to stop. I have other posts to reply.
Why Jews don't Accept Jesus?
No, it is not and never was. If you want to prove to me that's Jewish show me a similar statement in the Tanach. Otherwise, I ask you to stop. I have other posts to reply.
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I have already shown you.
You twist it to say something else.
You say sleeping in the dust is not physical death.
Think about it.
Ben Masada
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Why Jews don't Accept Jesus?
Why Jews don't Accept Jesus?
I have told you and more than once that PHYSICAL DEATH is the same as SLEEPING IN THE DUST.
Why Jews don't Accept Jesus?
I have told you and more than once that PHYSICAL DEATH is the same as SLEEPING IN THE DUST.
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THEN the Old Testament speaks of a physical resurrection from the dead.
Ben Masada
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Why Jews don't Accept Jesus?
Why Jews don't Accept Jesus?
If you understand what "embellishment" is, that's what sleeping-in- the-dust is for physical death.
Why Jews don't Accept Jesus?
If you understand what "embellishment" is, that's what sleeping-in- the-dust is for physical death.
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It is not an embellishment. It is the truth.
As it has come down to us, Christianity has always had diverse theologies and traditions.
It was no accident that Jesus's vision was called "the Kingdom of God.'
What might it be like if God sat on the throne instead of Caesar?
Everyone under Rome knew full well that Augustus was Lord, divinely born, Savior of the World, etc. These proclamations were carved into the temples and government buildings as well as stamped on the coins.
Attributing such exalted titles to Jesus was an act of high treason.
I've heard that proverb, but I have also heard "You cannot judge a man by the company he keeps."
Elia
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You seem to be struck with blindness.
There are no "false Rabbinic Jewish prophecies". The prophecies not fulfilled by your messiah are the authentic messianic prophecies of Gods prophets, as written down in the Hebrew Bible:
Who and what is the messiah? Let us check according to the Holy Hebrew scriptures what the messiah is supposed to do. .......
Micha 5:2-9; "But thou Bethlehem Ephratah, though thou be little among the thousands of Judah, yet out of thee shall he come forth unto me that is to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth have been from of old, from everlasting. Therefore will he give them up, until the time that she which travaileth hath brought forth: then the remnant of his brethren shall return unto the children of Israel. And he shall stand and feed in the strength of the LORD, in the majesty of the name of the LORD his God; and they shall abide: for NOW shall he be great unto the ends of the earth. And this man shall be the peace, when the Assyrian shall come into our land: and when he shall tread in our palaces, then shall we raise against him seven shepherds, and eight principal men. And they shall waste the land of Assyria with the sword, and the land of Nimrod in the entrances thereof: thus shall he deliver us from the Assyrian, when he cometh into our land, and when he treadeth within our borders. And the remnant of Jacob shall be in the midst of many people as a dew from the LORD, as the showers upon the grass, that tarrieth not for man, nor waiteth for the sons of men. And the remnant of Jacob shall be among the Gentiles in the midst of many people as a lion among the beasts of the forest, as a young lion among the flocks of sheep: who, if he go through, both treadeth down, and teareth in pieces, and none can deliver. Thine hand shall be lifted up upon thine adversaries, and all thine enemies shall be cut off."
Here we have very clearly physical redemption from earthly enemies: "And they shall waste the land of Assyria with the sword", "Thine hand shall be lifted up upon thine adversaries, and all thine enemies shall be cut off." These are very clear verses that can not be misinterpreted; when the messiah comes the Jewish enemies are going to be slaughtered. And the one coming forth from Bethlehem is to be a ruler in Israel, that is a king, or maybe nowadays a president, but not a wandering preacher and miracle healer.
Zacheriah 9:9-10; "Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion; shout, O daughter of Jerusalem: behold, thy King cometh unto thee: he is just, and having salvation; lowly, and riding upon an ***, and upon a colt the foal of an ***. And I will cut off the chariot from Ephraim, and the horse from Jerusalem, and the battle bow shall be cut off: and he shall speak peace unto the heathen: and his dominion shall be from sea even to sea, and from the river even to the ends of the earth."
They say that he did ride on a donkey, like the whole Middle East in those days, but that is where it stops. He did not bring any peace, the battle bow, the horses and the chariots, symbols of war, were not cut off from Jerusalem, and his dominion was not from sea to sea and to the ends of the earth; as a matter of fact, he did not have any dominion at all.
In order to get around this problem, the Christian church invented the "second coming". However, nowhere in the Hebrew scriptures is it written that the messiah would come once, get himself killed, and come again in a second coming. This is a pure rationalization of Jesus' failure to function in any way as a messiah. Nowhere in any of the above prophecies does it indicate that there will be a gap of at least 2000 years between the birth of the messiah and the redemption. Nowhere does it speak about a messiah being tortured to death and coming back thousands of years later.
Jeremiah 23:5-6; "Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth. In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this is his name whereby he shall be called, THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS."
Jeremiah 33:14-16: "IN THOSE DAYS AND AT THAT TIME, will I cause the Branch of righteousness to grow up unto David; and he shall execute judgment and righteousness in the land. IN THOSE DAYS shall Judah be saved, and Jerusalem shall dwell safely: and this is the name wherewith she shall be called, The LORD our righteousness."
When the branch of righteousness springs forth to David, when the messiah comes, THEN, IN THOSE DAYS, Judah will be saved and Jerusalem shall dwell safely. That means that it is impossible to squeeze in two thousand or more years between the coming of the messiah and the redemption of Judah and Jerusalem. Out goes the 'second coming'. However, there wasn't any redemption in the days of Jesus. Forty years after his death, in 70 CE, Jerusalem was totally destroyed by the Romans, the second Temple was burned down, and the Jews exiled. No way that the above prophecy was fulfilled.
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Isaiah 11; "And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots: And the spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the spirit of counsel and might, the spirit of knowledge and of the fear of the LORD; And shall make him of quick understanding in the fear of the LORD: and he shall not judge after the sight of his eyes, neither reprove after the hearing of his ears: But with righteousness shall he judge the poor, and reprove with equity for the meek of the earth: and he shall smite the earth with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked. And righteousness shall be the girdle of his loins, and faithfulness the girdle of his reins. The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them. And the cow and the bear shall feed; their young ones shall lie down together: and the lion shall eat straw like the ox. And the sucking child shall play on the hole of the asp, and the weaned child shall put his hand on the cockatrice' den. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain: for the earth shall be full of the knowledge of the LORD, as the waters cover the sea. And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious."
Also here we have a messiah who is going to kill the evil people: "And he shall smite the earth with the rod of his mouth, and with the breath of his lips shall he slay the wicked." And after that we get the better world, when it says: "The wolf also shall dwell with the lamb, and the leopard shall lie down with the kid; and the calf and the young lion and the fatling together; and a little child shall lead them etc." This is what is supposed to happen, as soon as there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse (the father of King David) and a Branch shall grow out of his roots; that is as soon as the messiah comes. Nowhere here is mentioned that the messiah will be killed and that these prophecies will happen at least 2000 years later. On the contrary; when the messiah comes redemption comes. And also for this messianic prophecy you don't have to be a brain surgeon or a rocket scientist in order to see that it is not fulfilled. Nothing of this all was done by Jesus. Conclusion: He was not the messiah.
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themuzicman
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John 12:40
bsmitts
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You say you don't accept him, but then you say you do. Well which is it? Plus you never bothered to explain, as you say, "what he really is." I personally don't refer to him as a what but rather as a who. So, who do you say he is? I personally agree with Peter.
Elia
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A bit childish to say of everybody who doesn't agree with you, that they are blinded.
But it is the nations of the earth who cannot count to two and who are blinded:
"Y-H-W-H of hosts will prepare a lavish banquet for all peoples on this mountain;
A banquet of aged wine, choice pieces with marrow,
And refined, aged wine.
7 And on this mountain He will swallow up the covering which is over all peoples,
Even the veil which is stretched over all nations."
Is 25
It's the nations who are blinded, covered with a veil.
"For all people will walk every one in the name of his god, and we will walk in the name of Y-H-W-H our God for ever and ever.".
Micah 4:5.
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They failed to read Josephus's works. The Jewish historian said that before AD70, Jews in majority held the Pharisaic concepts of freewill, hell, immortal soul and resurrection.
If they can't even keep the dominated concepts before AD70, how can we expect them to hold the same Messianic concept back in the Jesus' days.
Today's Judaism concepts are a fabrication by rabbis long after AD 70. They lost almost everything in the AD 70 siege which back then were enforced by the elite Pharisees.
After AD 70, they had to revive Judaism but applied another set of concepts totally different from those held by the Jews in majority before AD 70.
Moreover, God will deny those who call themselves Jews but stand in the way of Christianity.
Revelation 2:9 (NIV)
I know your afflictions and your poverty--yet you are rich! I know the slander of those who say they are Jews and are not, but are a synagogue of Satan.
Revelation 3:9 (NIV)
I will make those who are of the synagogue of Satan, who claim to be Jews though they are not, but are liars--I will make them come and fall down at your feet and acknowledge that I have loved you.
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Amen.
Ben Masada
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Why Jews don't Accept Jesus?
Why Jews don't Accept Jesus?
1 - That's true. Every religion is allowed to diverge from another but not to vandalize the Theology of another to build its own foundation.
2 - Hence, when Jesus referred to the Kingdom of God in Luke 17:21being within or among us, he had Israel in mind aka the Kingdom of God.
3 - You must be speaking metaphorically for a Jewish head of the Government in this kingdom of God.
4 - Yes, and so was Alexander.
5 - That's exactly what happened when Jesus' disciples acclaimed him king of the Jews in Jerusalem a Roman province at the time. (Luke 19:37-40) And still to this day, Christians blame all the Jews for the crucifixion of Jesus.
6 - True!
Why Jews don't Accept Jesus?
1 - That's true. Every religion is allowed to diverge from another but not to vandalize the Theology of another to build its own foundation.
2 - Hence, when Jesus referred to the Kingdom of God in Luke 17:21being within or among us, he had Israel in mind aka the Kingdom of God.
3 - You must be speaking metaphorically for a Jewish head of the Government in this kingdom of God.
4 - Yes, and so was Alexander.
5 - That's exactly what happened when Jesus' disciples acclaimed him king of the Jews in Jerusalem a Roman province at the time. (Luke 19:37-40) And still to this day, Christians blame all the Jews for the crucifixion of Jesus.
6 - True!