Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
Remember that it was unmentionable "harm" that caused these homosexual desires in childhood to begin with. The "harm" found in the homosexual lifestyle has been well documented throughout this 5 part thread. So when you're using the word "harm", you're really taking it out of context.
That being said: once homosexuality is again made illegal and our nation's cultural mores' change to embrace decency, the LGBT movement will dissolve and amongst other things allow those wanting to seek therapy for their same sex desires to do so.
I wasn't talking about harm prior to treatment, I was talking about potential harm the treatment itself does. But never mind this one was a gimme anyway as it is clearly your position I just ask to validate it. So I take the answer as yes. I honestly don't have a problem with it as long as minors are not forced into the programs and the next question is answered yes. It is interesting that you think that allowing additional harm on top of the harm you claim has been done is okay by you.
While anyone that fails to meet their goals when it comes to overcoming an unwanted desire (in this case a deadly one) would experience disappointment and even might "harm" themselves due to that disappointment, we're dealing with movement that tells people that change is not possible. Even when it's been proven that change is possible, your LGBT movement continues to deny it,
so "harm" is not only expected of those who allegedly fail, it's embraced by your LGBT movement.
Remember Kit: If it became well known that change is possible, and even likely, then the movement that perpetuated the biggest fraud of the past 50 years would be exposed.
Quote: Originally posted by aCultureWarrior
According to non rainbow flag waving experts, primitive SOCE therapy hasn't been done for over 50 years, yet your LGBT movement continues to push the lie that they are currently being used.
I was not implying it was, I was using a couple of obvious examples of what would be reasonable regulation.
Examples that haven't been pertinent for a half century.
So I noticed you ducked the question, should the therapies be subject to the same type of regulation and limitation as all other therapies are subject to? Unless you answer it we'll take this one as no. So if you approve of an anything goes lack of regulation of these programs am I to take it you would approve of those 'primitive' treatments being brought back?
Look at my last few posts and those that I'd posted in the past discussions on SOCE. Unbiased (professionals who aren't rainbow flag waving frauds) have shown that SOCE therapy is a psychologically sound practice. Remember that spirituality plays a huge role in SOCE success rates, so psychology isn't the only factor involved in SOCE.
Quote: Originally posted by aCultureWarrior
Immoral behavior and sexual perversion aren't a "right". Once homosexuality is recriminalized these people who have same sex desires and engage in them, desires that were brought on predominantly through childhood trauma, would be subjected to criminal justice system if caught in the act of homosexuality and without a doubt therapy would be an option when convicted and sentenced. Keep in mind that those in the LGBT movement are guilty of many more crimes than same sex sodomy, as I pointed out in earlier posts, so punishment would have to be used.
Why do you have to overthink the answers, again the question ducked but I think we can say from the answer you believe no that people do not have the right to refuse these therapies.
If they want to continue with their culture of death once homosexuality is recriminalized and face the penalties that go with those laws, they have that "right".
Quote: Originally posted by aCultureWarrior
I'm not aware of any other groups that are allowed immunity to these criminal acts other than the homosexual movement.
You have clearly never been to a Mardi Gras parade or spring break. I'm not asking about immunity for one group or another, I'm asking if ALL groups should be treated the same. I'm going to take this one as yes and I happen to agree with you on it.
I slapped my forehead minutes after I sent that post as it's standard operational procedure for homosexual activists to use Mardi Gras to defend 'gay' pride parades. Yes, a 300+ year religious festival
https://www.mardigrasneworleans.com/history/?
pretty much has turned into a huge drunken party with some public nudity and lewd activity. While I don't believe that like 'gay' pride parades Mardi Gras or Spring Break have agendas that deny religious freedom, take away parental rights, or redefine invaluable institutions, I will get around to starting a thread entitled:
"Why Mardi Gras and Spring Break MUST Be Made Criminal!"
Yeah, uh huh, I'll get right on that Kit.
Quote: Originally posted by aCultureWarrior
If there are others groups besides your LGBT movement that are involved in the above, I would refer to them as "LGBT allies". Yes, laws should be enforced against all perverts, whether their perversion is homosexual or heterosexual based.
I'll glad that we finally agree that the child indoctrinating/molesting homosexual movement is made up of proud and unrepentant perverts.
Quote: Originally posted by aCultureWarrior
Society should discourage out of wedlock sex and promote traditional marriage.
So sort of a yes answer but caveated. The days of sex only in marriage actually never really existed and post birth control is a genie you are never going to put back in the bottle. So I consider the caveats unrealistic.
Laws against cohabitation were not that long ago on the legislative books. Out of wedlock sex was frowned upon, not glorified, and when a woman became pregnant due to it, the good ole shotgun wedding usually followed.
In order to return to decency, sexual perversion must first be stopped.
Quote: Originally posted by aCultureWarrior
Sexual perversion is still sexual perversion no matter how long the participants have been together or if they label a fictitious title such as "marriage" to their unnatural relationship.
The question completely ducked. Remember these questions are general, they apply to everyone, not just homosexuals.
I spent years dealing with criminal defense lawyers answering their questions under oath in court. You're foolish if you think that you can pull one over on me and get me to fall into your "yes or no" line of questioning.
Quote: Originally posted by aCultureWarrior
Again, perversion is perversion and cannot be compared to the nucleus of society: the traditional family via traditional marriage.
The question completely ducked.
i.e. it wasn't answered the way homosexual activist Kit the Coyote wanted it answered.
So pretty much what I expected and even where we have some agreement you have to expand and dance around the question in such a way that is very disturbing.
Back to the drawing board ey Kit?