Why Homosexuality MUST Be Recriminalized! Part 5

[SabathMoon]

Spoken like a true Libertarian. Who cares if these lost souls are living a deathstyle that causes misery, disease and early death and are going to spend eternity separated from God? Who cares that these lost souls are indoctrinating innocent children to the ways of sexual perversion and taking away parental rights? Who cares that these lost souls are redefining and destroying societies invaluable institutions? There's a dollar to be saved by creating new sodomy laws!

It's their fault, but under current law, we can't whip them for sodomy.

 

[aCultureWarrior]

...Why Homosexuality MUST Be Recriminalized! Part 5

The "trained and licensed professionals" to whom "aCultureWarrior" refers have been denounced by the American Psychiatric Association (APA) and the United States Surgeon General as without scientific evidence and unethical!

I was hoping that Kit the Coyote would return, as I wanted to share the credentials that this particular member of the American Psychological Association has:

Theo Sandfort

who has been a Professor at the esteemed Columbia University in New York City since 2001.

Education
Catholic University, Nijmegen, Netherlands M.A. 1979 Social Psychology
Utrecht University, Utrecht, Netherlands Ph.D. 1988 Social Sciences

Professional Experience
1977-1979 Student Assistant, Department of Social Psychology, Catholic University, Nijmegen, Netherlands
1980-1981 Research Assistant, Sociological Institute, Utrecht University, Netherlands
1981-1988 Research Assistant, Department of Clinical Psychology and Personality Theory, Utrecht University
1988-1989 Researcher, Interfaculty Department of Lesbian and Gay Studies, Utrecht University
1988-1993 Co-director of research programme social-scientific AIDS research, Utrecht University
1993-1997 Chair of Interfaculty Department of Lesbian and Gay Studies, Utrecht University
1996-2001 Director of research programme “Diversity, lifestyles and health”, Netherlands Institute of Social Sexological Research, Utrecht, Netherlands
1998-2001 Associate Professor, Department of Clinical Psychology, Utrecht University
2001-present Research Scientist, HIV Center for Clinical and Behavioral Studies, New York State Psychiatric Institute, Department of Psychiatry, College of Physicians and Surgeons, Columbia University, New York, NY
2001-present Associate Professor, Department of Sociomedical Sciences, Joseph L. Mailman School of Public Health, Columbia University, New York, NY
2001-present Associate Professor of Clinical Sociomedical Sciences (in Psychiatry), Departments of Psychiatry and Sociomedical Sciences, Columbia University Mailman School of Public Health, New York, NY
2002-2003 President, International Academy of Sex Research
2002-present Fellow, American Psychological Association
2003-present Training Director, HIV Center for Clinical and Behavioral Studies, New York State Psychiatric Institute, Department of Psychiatry, Columbia University, New York, NY

Wow, that's impressive. Who could question someone like that and his expertise on human sexuality?

More about Columbia University Professor and APA fellow Theo Sandfort:

"Since his time as a graduate student Theo Sandfort has been involved in numerous basic and applied empirical investigations in the field of sexuality and health. He has worked as interviewer, research assistant, principal investigator and project leader. In terms of research methods he is skilled in both quantitative and qualitative approaches. He was involved in large as well as small-scale studies, aimed at surveying sexual behavior and attitudes, identifying determinants of health behavior, needs assessments, evaluating mass media and small-scale health interventions, and identifying the epidemiology of mental disorders."

There's only one little problem with Columbia Professor and APA fellow Theo Sandfort:

He supports pedophilia:

Some of his important publications include:
Youths not always victims in man-boy sex, survey reveals, The International Journal of Human Relations. Volume 14 (1) pp. 8-9 October, 1984, Sandfort, Theodorus, & Finkelhor David, Volume 14, Issue 1, October 1984, Pagination 8 & 9, Type of Work: Discussion
"Are children always traumatized by pedophiles?", Part of the report of a forum: Sandfort & Finkelhor: A recent survey reveals that some youngsters actually enjoy sex with adults and do not feel stigmatized.
https://www.ipce.info/library/journal-article/youths-not-always-victims-man-boy-se
Boys On Their Contacts with Men: A Study Of Sexually Expressed Friendships
While a lecturer in psychology at the State University of Utrecht in the Netherlands, he interviewed 25 boys ranging in age from 10 to 16 who were currently involved in sexual relationships with adult men, and in 1984 he published a report of the interviews.
The book may be read here: https://www.ipce.info/host/sandfort_87/
You may read a description of and criticism of his study here:
https://groups.google.com/forum/?_e...639MJ#!msg/soc.motss/AYVed9zXG6Q/dpLmQzR639MJ
Three of the interviews from the book that he conducted with the boys are available:
"Three Interviews from the research of Theo Sandfort" Scroll down to pages 18-31.
http://exitinterview.biz/rarities/pan/n12/pan12.pdf
Another article, "Experience World of Children in Paedophile Relations," by Drs Theo Sandfort (scroll down the .PDF file to pages 10-14):
http://exitinterview.biz/rarities/pan/n5/pan5.pdf
His most recent book is Childhood Sexuality: Normal Sexual Behavior and Development, 145 pages, Published May 19th 2014 by Routledge (first published January 1st 2013). The book is currently in print and may be bought as a softcover, hardcover, or e-book.
https://www.boywiki.org/en/Theo_Sandfort

Instead of asking a group of 10 to 16 year old boys how they liked being raped by an adult homosexual, why didn't Theo Sandfort ask the names of the rapists so that he could turn them over to law enforcement authorities?

The big question is: Why is a promoter of pedophilia a member of the American Psychological Association and a Professor at the esteemed Columbia University in New York City and why is his work considered reputable?

Theo "Want some candy little boy?" Sandfort

 

[Kit the Coyote]

While there are thousands and thousands of success stories out there, if just one person (just one) is able to overcome those odds and lead a normal and happy life because of spiritual and/or psychological therapy, then that is proof that homosexuality is a changeable desire and behavior.

Which is all well and good but if the success of that one person comes at the cost of harming two or more people, which is what the professionals believe then it is NOT worth it. Particularly when there are alternative treatments that can obtain similar results without that harm.

Define "success" in other areas where therapy is used to understand and in many cases hopefully overcome unwanted desires. You can't, because each individual is different and has different goals.
Also remember for the Christian going through spiritual therapy, the work of the Holy Spirit does take time, something that your atheist LGBT movement doesn't acknowledge.

Which is exactly why proper evaluation and establishing a baseline for EACH patient at the start and throughout the treatment is necessary. And as you recall the recommended treatment focuses directly on those individual differences and goals. Odd that you dismiss such therapies simply because they don't line up with YOUR goals.

 

[aCultureWarrior]

Not wanting to talk about why a promoter of pedophilia is a member of the American Psychological Association, a Professor at Columbia University, and why this promoter of pedophilia's studies are considered legitimate, Kit the Coyote again attacks conversion/reparative therapy.

Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
While there are thousands and thousands of success stories out there, if just one person (just one) is able to overcome those odds and lead a normal and happy life because of spiritual and/or psychological therapy, then that is proof that homosexuality is a changeable desire and behavior.

Which is all well and good but if the success of that one person comes at the cost of harming two or more people, which is what the professionals believe then it is NOT worth it. Particularly when there are alternative treatments that can obtain similar results without that harm.

First of all, the (supposed) failures of many doesn't take away the rights of those who succeed, i.e. the culture of death doesn't take precedence over the culture of life. It's also questionable if there are that many failures when it comes to therapy dealing with same sex desires, as we've seen in earlier posts the LGBT movement does make things up to disparage the SOCE/sexual orientation change movement.

Quote: Originally posted by aCultureWarrior
Define "success" in other areas where therapy is used to understand and in many cases hopefully overcome unwanted desires. You can't, because each individual is different and has different goals.
Also remember for the Christian going through spiritual therapy, the work of the Holy Spirit does take time, something that your atheist LGBT movement doesn't acknowledge.

Which is exactly why proper evaluation and establishing a baseline for EACH patient at the start and throughout the treatment is necessary.

Thank you for acknowledging that success is a subjective word and relates to the goal(s) the client and his or her therapist are working towards.

And as you recall the recommended treatment focuses directly on those individual differences and goals. Odd that you dismiss such therapies simply because they don't line up with YOUR goals.

Remember, your LGBT movement doesn't recognize any type of therapy other than homosexual/transgender affirmation supposed therapy.

BTW Kit, what's a promoter of pedophilia doing as a member of the American Psychological Association?
http://theologyonline.com/showthrea...ized!-Part-5&p=5316723&viewfull=1#post5316723

 

[Kit the Coyote]

Not wanting to talk about why a promoter of pedophilia is a member of the American Psychological Association, a Professor at Columbia University, and why this promoter of pedophilia's studies are considered legitimate, Kit the Coyote again attacks conversion/reparative therapy.

I'm not going to mess with your usual attempts to derail the discussion to your favorite masturbation topic.

First of all, the (supposed) failures of many doesn't take away the rights of those who succeed, i.e. the culture of death doesn't take precedence over the culture of life. It's also questionable if there are that many failures when it comes to therapy dealing with same sex desires, as we've seen in earlier posts the LGBT movement does make things up to disparage the SOCE/sexual orientation change movement.

The first part of the Hippocratic Oath is "Do No Harm". If a particular treatment is more likely to harm a patient than to help them and there are other ways to treat the patient then that treatment should not be used.

Thank you for acknowledging that success is a subjective word and relates to the goal(s) the client and his or her therapist are working towards.

Yet it is you who want to insist on a treatment that doesn't do this. Indeed, reject any treatment that doesn't put your goals ahead of those of the patient.

Remember, your LGBT movement doesn't recognize any type of therapy other than homosexual/transgender affirmation supposed therapy.

Whatever the LGBT movement wants, I will defer to the recommendations of the majority of medical professionals in the field. You want them to accept these therapies then the people doing them need to do their homework and prove they are worthwhile.

 

[Catholic Crusader]

How the heck can this forum continually run a thread one after the other about criminalizing people who suffer from a mental disorder. What is this the Dark Ages?

 

[Catholic Crusader]

....Whatever the LGBT movement wants, I will defer to the recommendations of the majority of medical professionals in the field.......

The medical community as you call it has been co-opted by politics. There was no good medical reason to remove same-sex attraction from the list of recognized mental disorders. It was done for strictly political reasons and no other. Your so-called medical professionals are nothing but political hacks who practice politics and not medicine. I would no more defer to them then I would to a kid at McDonald's

 

[aCultureWarrior]

Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
Not wanting to talk about why a promoter of pedophilia is a member of the American Psychological Association, a Professor at Columbia University, and why this promoter of pedophilia's studies are considered legitimate, Kit the Coyote again attacks conversion/reparative therapy.

…BTW Kit, what's a promoter of pedophilia doing as a member of the American Psychological Association?

I'm not going to mess with your usual attempts to derail the discussion to your favorite masturbation topic.

I'll make this post quick, as I don't want to keep you from the forum at your favorite homosexual pornography website.

Can we both agree that any psychological association that allows as a member someone who has conducted numerous pro pedophilia 'studies' and whose most recent 'research' involves exploring the sexuality of 2-6 year old's (move over homosexual pedophile Alfred Kinsey, as there's a new head pervert in town, and his name is Theo Sandfort)
https://www.taylorfrancis.com/books/9781135788605

should be shunned by society and criminal investigations should take place to see if any children were physically and/or psychologically harmed during these child molesting studies?

 

[Kit the Coyote]

Can we both agree that any psychological association that allows as a member someone who has conducted numerous pro pedophilia 'studies' and whose most recent 'research' involves exploring the sexuality of 2-6 year old's (move over homosexual pedophile Alfred Kinsey, as there's a new head pervert in town, and his name is Theo Sandfort)

should be shunned by society and criminal investigations should take place to see if any children were physically and/or psychologically harmed during these child molesting studies?

Again, I'm not going to go down your rabbit hole. The membership of the APA numbers in the tens of thousands, any group that large you are going to be able to cherry pick a few undesirables. If you are more than welcome to take up the issue with their membership committee.

 

[Kit the Coyote]

The medical community as you call it has been co-opted by politics. There was no good medical reason to remove same-sex attraction from the list of recognized mental disorders. It was done for strictly political reasons and no other. Your so-called medical professionals are nothing but political hacks who practice politics and not medicine. I would no more defer to them then I would to a kid at McDonald's

Perhaps but they still represent the subject matter experts on the field. If you wish to change it they are the ones you need to convince.

 

[jgarden]

Homosexuality MUST Be Recriminalized! Part 5

The medical community as you call it has been co-opted by politics. There was no good medical reason to remove same-sex attraction from the list of recognized mental disorders. It was done for strictly political reasons and no other. Your so-called medical professionals are nothing but political hacks who practice politics and not medicine. I would no more defer to them then I would to a kid at McDonald's

Presumably neither "CatholicCrusader" nor his family would consider going to a doctor when they are sick because "the medical community as you call it has been co-opted by politics!"

As for "aCultureWarrior," attempting to find fault with one member of the American Psychological Association doesn't condemn the findings of the whole organization!

Where are the reputable studies that can confirm the existence of "thousands and thousands of success stories out there?"

 

[aCultureWarrior]

Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
Can we both agree that any psychological association that allows as a member someone who has conducted numerous pro pedophilia 'studies' and whose most recent 'research' involves exploring the sexuality of 2-6 year old's (move over homosexual pedophile Alfred Kinsey, as there's a new head pervert in town, and his name is Theo Sandfort).

should be shunned by society and criminal investigations should take place to see if any children were physically and/or psychologically harmed during these child molesting studies?

Again, I'm not going to go down your rabbit hole. The membership of the APA numbers in the tens of thousands, any group that large you are going to be able to cherry pick a few undesirables.

Is that what child molesters passing themselves off as researchers are called these days: "undesirables"?

If you are more than welcome to take up the issue with their membership committee.

So you want me to contact a bunch of perverts to complain about a pervert?

https://www.apadivisions.org/division-44/about

Both APA's (as shown) have been hijacked by your LGBT movement and Theo "Want some candy little boy?" Sandfort is yet another example showing

"Why Homosexuality MUST Be Recriminalized!"

 

[aCultureWarrior]

Where are the reputable studies that can confirm the existence of "thousands and thousands of success stories out there?"

Reputable studies:

There have been several studies regarding homosexuals becoming ex-homosexuals. For example, on September 13, 2007 Christianity Today published an article entitled An Older Wiser Ex-Gay Movement and below is an excerpt from that article which focuses on reparative therapy:

"Since its beginnings in the 1970s, the ex-gay movement has engaged gay advocates in a battle of testimonies. Transformed ex-gay leaders are the best argument for their movement. Likewise, those who've left the ex-gay movement in despair and disgust are the best counterargument. The debate continued this June, when Exodus International held its 32nd annual conference in Irvine, California, featuring dozens of speakers and seminar leaders who have quit homosexuality. Down the road outside the Los Angeles Gay and Lesbian Center, a news conference featured three former Exodus leaders saying "ex-gay" is a delusion.
New research may change the terms of debate. Psychologists Stanton Jones of Wheaton College and Mark Yarhouse of Regent University released today a book detailing their findings from the first three years of an ongoing study. They are investigating participants in 16 different ex-gay programs associated with Exodus, the largest ex-gay ministry group.[10]

"The study started out with 98 people with 72 of them being men and 26 of them being women.[13] Some of the participants quit the study because they believe they had positively changed and didn't see a need to continue while others quit because they decided they didn't want to change from a homosexual to an ex-homosexual.[13] As a result, 73 subjects completed the study.[13]
According to the Baptist Press, here are the results: 15 percent of subjects experienced substantial change; "23 percent said their conversion was successful and that homosexual attraction was either missing or "present only incidentally or in a way that does not seem to bring about distress." They were labeled "success: chastity."; 29 percent of subjects experienced modest success; 15 percent of subjects experienced no change and were undecided about what to do next; "4 percent had not changed and had quit the change process, but had not embraced the "gay identity."; "8 percent had not changed, had quit the process and had embraced the "gay identity."; and malfunctions in the taping of the interviews accounts for the remaining 5 percent.[13]
Previously, Dr. Robert Spitzer published a study in the journal Archives of Sexual Behavior performed using reparative therapy had some subjects experiencing change.[14]
https://www.conservapedia.com/index.php?title=Ex-homosexuals#Reparative_Therapy

Thousands of success stories:

Joseph Nicolosi helped thousands coping with unwanted homosexual desires
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/j...t-age-70-helped-thousands-coping-with-unwante

 

[jgarden]

1. Despite !a CultureWarrior's" accusations, there are no other sources accusing Dr. Theo Sandfort of conducting pro paedophilia studies!

2. Whatever their redeeming qualities, "Christianity Today" and the "Baptist Press" do not claim to be scientific journals, where members of the American Psychological Association and other researchers would be subject to peer review before their work is published.

3. Wheaton College and Regent University are both Christian institutions - no faculty member would be retained on staff if they were to publish anything that didn't support conversion therapy!

4. Wheaton College is a Christian (Protestant) residential liberal arts college and graduate school founded by evangelical abolitionists in 1860 - its most famous alimni is the Rev. Billy Graham.
- received criticism in recent years from both conservative and liberal alumni. Wheaton's acceptance of evolutionary biology in the science departments
- Joshua Hochschild, assistant professor of philosophy, was dismissed in 2004 for becoming Roman Catholic - Wheaton's president said his "personal desire" to retain Hochschild, "a gifted brother in Christ", was outweighed by his duty to employ "faculty who embody the institution's Protestant convictions"
- 2008, English professor Kent Gramm resigned after declining to give the college administration details of his pending divorce from his wife
- 2012, Wheaton College filed a lawsuit alongside The Catholic University of America in the Washington, D.C. District Court, opposing the Health and Human Services Preventative Services mandate, a regulation under the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act that would force both institutions to provide access to emergency contraceptive drugs
- 2015 Wheaton College suspended tenured professor of political science Larycia Hawkins for wearing a hijab in solidarity with Muslims
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wheaton_College_(Illinois)

5. Regent University is a private Christian research university located in Virginia Beach, Virginia
- founded by Pat Robertson in 1977 as Christian Broadcasting Network University
- Robertson urged the assassination of Venezuelan President Hugo Chávez
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regent_University

 

[Kit the Coyote]

Is that what child molesters passing themselves off as researchers are called these days: "undesirables"?

Seems an adequate label to me, do you find them desirable? Oh, wait what am I saying, they are your favorite masturbation subject, of course, you desire them.

So you want me to contact a bunch of perverts to complain about a pervert?

Both APA's (as shown) have been hijacked by your LGBT movement and Theo "Want some candy little boy?" Sandfort is yet another example showing

And pretty much every mental health professional association outside of Russia and the Third World. Also the WHO. It is amazing how god like you make the LGBT movement.

 

[Kit the Coyote]

They are investigating participants in 16 different ex-gay programs associated with Exodus, the largest ex-gay ministry group.

The group that admitted their failure rate was 99%, apologized for the hurt and harm they had done to their patients and shut their doors.

 

[Kit the Coyote]

2. Whatever their redeeming qualities, "Christianity Today" and the "Baptist Press" do not claim to be scientific journals, where members of the American Psychological Association and other researchers would be subject to peer review before their work is published.

As was pointed out earlier, of the 13 peer-reviewed studies out there that looked at the effectiveness of conversion therapy, 12 found that it was ineffective and did more harm than good to its patients. The remaining one suffers from methodology questions that make its outcomes questionable.

aCW continues to ignore the 'more harm than good' issue. He wants to claim that if there is even one success it is worth it but if that success comes at the cost of making a dozen or more patients worse off it is not worth it. Not when there are approved alternatives out there that do not do such harm.

 

[Catholic Crusader]

Anybody who thinks that doctors are some kind of gods and that they would never compromise their integrity for their politics is a naive idiot. Doctors are people too, and Leftist doctors are just as pathetically ignorant and stupid as all other Leftists are.

The APA removed same-sex attraction from the DMS for political reasons only, not medical reasons. In fact, transgenderism (Gender Dysphoria) IS STILL ON the DMS:

Gender Dysphoria: https://www.psychiatry.org/patients-families/gender-dysphoria/what-is-gender-dysphoria

You want more stupidity: Being an alpha male is now considered by some of these idiot moron doctors to be UNhealthy:

How masculinity can hurt mental health: https://www.apa.org/research/action/speaking-of-psychology/men-boys-health-disparities

So if you are Rambo then you are sick, but if you're a fairy then you're normal. There's your vaunted APA for you. These are the idiots that some of you geniuses turn to?

 

[aCultureWarrior]

1. Despite !a CultureWarrior's" accusations, there are no other sources accusing Dr. Theo Sandfort of conducting pro paedophilia studies!

What part of post #1762 did you not understand?

2. Whatever their redeeming qualities, "Christianity Today" and the "Baptist Press" do not claim to be scientific journals, where members of the American Psychological Association and other researchers would be subject to peer review before their work is published.

It's been established long ago that the term "peer review" when used by the APA's and their allies means those who engage in homosexuality and/or embrace the homosexual agenda.

3. Wheaton College and Regent University are both Christian institutions - no faculty member would be retained on staff if they were to publish anything that didn't support conversion therapy!

Christians are honest, "peer reviewing" homosexuals are not.

Thanks for making my case.

 

[aCultureWarrior]

Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
Is that what child molesters passing themselves off as researchers are called these days: "undesirables"?

Seems an adequate label to me, do you find them desirable? Oh, wait what am I saying, they are your favorite masturbation subject, of course, you desire them.

(Note how LGBT flag waving Kit the Coyote uses sexual perversion in his everyday language).

Be honest for once: It's only "undesirable" when LGBT "man boy lovers" are caught pushing adult-child rape, which gives a bad name to your LGBT movement.

Quote: Originally posted by aCultureWarrior
So you want me to contact a bunch of perverts to complain about a pervert?

Both APA's (as shown) have been hijacked by your LGBT movement and Theo "Want some candy little boy?" Sandfort is yet another example showing

And pretty much every mental health professional association outside of Russia and the Third World. Also the WHO...

Thanks for making my point.

It is amazing how god like you make the LGBT movement.

Try to leave your HATRED of God out of this Kit.