Kit the Coyote
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speaking as a health-care professional, preventing disease is the most effective approach
I would agree.
speaking as a health-care professional, preventing disease is the most effective approach
Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
Black males who engage in homosexuality and some black heterosexual women who were unfortunate enough to have had sex with black males who were on the "down low" at the time.
First off same-sex marriage was and is on a different footing as far as equal treatment under the law because it was subjected to an inequality.
That is there were equally situated relationships that were being allowed to marry under the law while being denied to same-sex couples. The other potential marriages you bring up do not have that same inequality, they are denied to all citizens equally.
Given the functions (multiple) that marriage serves in society, all these others do have problems with them that make them less desirable than a monogamous adult marriage.
Poly-marriage has stability issues that are more likely in that multi-polar relationship than in bi-polar relationships. There is also the tendency toward unequal treatment of one of the genders. This happens in traditional marriages too but it is a more obvious problem in poly marriages. Now if a family can make it work, I would say more power to them and they certainly have the Bible on their side if they want to make the case and can convince society. But the issues above and the complication of inheritance issues instead of simplifying them works against several of the primary reasons for marriage.
Incest-marriage has similar problems particularly if it is generational. We have learned enough about the genetics that the issue of genetic problems are not as accurate as we once thought as long as you limit it to one generation.
Beastiality suffers from the same primary issue as child marriage, if all parties involved are not consenting human adults then it is not marriage but rape even if you want to argue a willing subject.
Yes treating the disease is usually a more effective approach.
And Mesopotamian laws, pre-Christian Greek laws, pre-Christian Roman laws, pre-Christian British law, etc. Even some Native American laws. There are commonalities in most legal systems, such as murder being against the law. If it is based on Judeo-Christian laws, why is there no mention of it in the foundational document of our legal system and why are only four of the ten commandments have equivalents in our system?
Not discussing the Founding Fathers, we are discussing the US Constitution and legal system.
I know a fairly active political forum like this one on a gay porn site if you really want to go and discuss it with them.
No, I mean contraceptives, if I meant RU-486 I would have said abortion drugs.
I' was also talking about the legality of incestuous and bestial relationships as well as marriage. If you are a true sexual anarchist (equal rights for all behaviors), you would approve of those behaviors being legal as well.
I'm not sure what you're talking about when you say "equally situated relationship", but the requirement for marriage was one man and one woman.
So an incestuous marriage would be fine as long as monogamous adults are involved?
Then multiple partners, in or out of marriage is ok, as long as the parties involved "can make it work"?
You're of the mindset that fertility would have to play a role in incestuous relationships/marriages. Not so with a brother-brother, father-son, post menopausal mother-son, sister-sister, etc. etc. relationship.
Besides, if there is a "genetic problem" abortion on demand is there to fix it.
Lower/abolish age of sexual consent laws and the child issue is solved.
Regarding bestiality: Since when does an animal have to give consent?
Yet you just agreed with Dr. Ok doser that prevention is the key. Abstaining from homosexuality is a 100% proven preventative measure from contracting HIV/AIDS and all of the STD's that run rampant amongst those who engage in homosexuality.
I bet that do Kit, I bet that you do. That being said: A political forum on a homosexual pornography site? I guess your "community" talks politics in an environment where they feel at home, ey?
I never claimed to be a "sexual anarchist".
Equal treatment under the law is not equal rights for all behaviors.
When the courts talk about being equally situated, they are saying that the point of contention in the legal argument is the only difference between the groups in question who are being treated differently. In a comparison of one man and one woman marriages and same-sex couple marriages and how they are treated under the law the only notable difference is the genders of the couples. In everything else, they are similarly situated yet one group was allowed to marry and the other was not. That is the basis of an inequality under the law argument.
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Again no. You should practice more reading for comprehension. Fertility is not a requirement in marriage but health issues concerning potential children are considered an issue in incestuous relationships that involve children.
Society has set the current age of consent laws and seems quite satisfied with them, they have only gone up in recent history.
I have no problem with them as they are, I think they are about right...
Never and there is no legal framework for them to do so in current law. Which is why pro-bestiality marriage arguments are moot points.
So is abstaining from all sex for everyone but I doubt you will find that solution will work very well. I am all for encouraging in couples to practice prevention but not so foolish to think that abstinence alone will work.
Yes, they do, rather like Christians feeling more comfortable on a theology site's politics board. In fact, it uses the same software and is pretty much similar to here except the overall group is more liberal-leaning and the moderators are less picky about language. The Second Amendment discussions get quite heated.
Yes, throughout the history of western civilization those who engage in sexual perversion had been "treated differently". And then they became organized and took control of things such as government.
Incestophobic bigot
Polyamorophobic bigot
Oh, so "health issues" should be a concern of society now. Back to CDC reports on homosexuality...
Which has nothing to do with your consent argument.
Thanks for confirming that lack of consent isn't an issue with the legalization of man-animal sex nor "man-boy love".
The Biblical approach is disease free: Sex outside of marriage is immoral. One man, one woman, united in matrimony. Stick to God's Plan and people will never have to buy drugs to fight off STD's again.
I pointed out in an earlier WHMBR! thread that pornography is a huge part of homosexual 'culture'. It's huge in movies, plays and magazines. Thanks for confirming what I said.
The right for a group to associate, organize and petition the government for change is one of the greatest strengths of the US system.
Cute but all I am doing is pointing out that these groups have legal and social issues that need to be addressed if society is to allow such marriages. They have just as much right to organize and try to convince society as any other group.
Yes, and I also pointed out that those health issues are not really a major hindrance to those marriages.
You will also notice that I do not claim there are no major health issues with certain sexual lifestyles, which I will even agree is practiced by a significant number of homosexuals. I simply do not agree that your approach to that problem is the best answer particularly when not every homosexual is living those lifestyles.
Since a major preventative measure in those cases is encouraging committed monogamous relationships, one of the functions marriage serves in society, you should be all for same-sex marriage. But then you seem to be defending poly marriage so I guess you don't think marriage is about monogamy.
Age of consent has everything to do with my consent argument, you are the one suggesting that lowering the age of consent is a solution.
Now just demonstrate anywhere in history that has actually worked. To my knowledge, there is no recorded major society that did not have homosexuals or STD's.
It is a major part of the heterosexual culture as well. I don't think you will find a major culture in history that didn't have it either.
Then that supposed "right" should be given to other groups that embrace sexual deviancy and sexual perversion (Incest and Bestiality "groups").
So putting a ring on a finger of two sexual degenerates somehow dismisses the health hazards of homosexual behavior?
If there were significant health risks amongst those that engage in incest or bestiality, one would think that the CDC would put them center stage like they have homosexuality.
Two points (one of them being repeated from above) : Fake wedding rings on the fingers of those who engage in homosexuality is not a cure-all. Buggery is buggery and the diseases that run rampant amongst those who engage in homosexuality pertain to those who mock God's institution of marriage as well. If I'm wrong, supply a CDC report refuting that.
#2. As shown, the LGBTQ so-called "community" is big into pornography and hence promiscuity. Quit pretending that they're not.
The "solution" was shown how to get around your "but but but, children and animals can't give consent!" attempt at an argument.
Kit isn't a "sexual anarchist'. Sexual anarchist is just another label you falsely apply to people as a means of creating a straw man. Try actually responding to what people post rather than fabricating even more lies. (like that would ever happen.)Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
If you're a true sexual anarchist, equal protection under the law would endorse polygamy, incestuous relationships/marriage, bestiality and other immoral acts/morally depraved acts.
Wait, you're surely not going to say that the sexually depraved act that you defend is better than those?Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
If you're a true sexual anarchist, equal protection under the law would endorse polygamy, incestuous relationships/marriage, bestiality and other immoral acts/morally depraved acts.
Wait, you're surely not going to say that the sexually depraved act that you defend is better than those?
I' was also talking about the legality of incestuous and bestial relationships as well as marriage. If you are a true sexual anarchist (equal rights for all behaviors), you would approve of those behaviors being legal as well.
just like abstaining from heterosexuality is a 100% proven preventative measure from contracting HIV/AIDS and all of the STD's that run rampant among those who engage in homosexuality.Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
Buggery is just as prevalent today as it was back then. The only difference now is that thanks to the millions upon millions of taxpayer dollars to study HIV/AIDS, those living with it can now manage it better than before.
Yet you just agreed with Dr. Ok doser that prevention is the key. Abstaining from homosexuality is a 100% proven preventative measure from contracting HIV/AIDS and all of the STD's that run rampant amongst those who engage in homosexuality.
Been there done that. You just keep telling the same lies over and over again.Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
One would think as much as I expose pedophilia and pederasty amongst the LGBTQ movement, that a proud and unrepentant member of that movement would want to rush forward and set the record straight.
Oh well, I guess the evidence still stands unopposed.
I'll guarantee you that STD's didn't run rampant as they are today when cultural more's and laws endorsed marriage (and when I say marriage, I'm not talking about faux homosexual so-called marriage).
first you lie about Kit being a 'sexual anarchist' then you lie about what a sexual anarchist is. And you top it off by lying about Kit's actual position.Originally Posted by aCultureWarrior
I' was also talking about the legality of incestuous and bestial relationships as well as marriage. If you are a true sexual anarchist (equal rights for all behaviors), you would approve of those behaviors being legal as well.
It's a term used to describe those who promote sexual perversion. You fit the bill.
first you lie about Kit being a 'sexual anarchist' then you lie about what a sexual anarchist is. And you top it off by lying about Kit's actual position.
They already have it, of course, having the right to organize and express your message and having society accept it is two different things.
I would direct you to your favorite group and their success at changing the age of consent laws.
Not entirely but if it is a committed monogamous relationship it will go a long way towards reducing and eliminating a lot of them. It is one of the reasons marriage exists in society.
It is a matter of the size of the problem, there a much larger group affected by unsafe, multi-partner sexual practices. It is more important to reach that group.
Never implied it was a cure-all but it is a big step in the right direction. A couple that is STD-free that enters into a committed, monogamous marriage will remain STD-free.
A couple that has an STD that enters into a committed, monogamous marriage contains the disease inside that couple and does not spread if further. That is basic biology. This too is one of the functions marriage serves in society.
I never said it wasn't, I just don't pretend that it is a uniquely LGBT issue. Pornography has gone hand in hand with every social media advancement throughout history. It is rumored that Gutenberg's notes indicated that his shop made more money from the erotic pamphlets sold out the back door than it made from the bibles sold out the front. LGBT pornography is a fraction of a very huge market. And most of it is in not so plain sight, one of my first introductions to really steamy erotism was when I picked up and glanced through one of the 'romance novels' my grandmother collected.
Yet it is a solution that only you and your favorite group is advocating and shows little sign of being a viable one. Odd how you were jokingly begging me to bring up a slippery slope argument.
I would agree that the breakdown of marriage in modern society is a major factor in the increase of STDs. However, I would lay that more at the feet of heterosexuals who were devaluing and undermining the importance of marriage long before same-sex marriage became an issue.