genuineoriginal
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Neither am I, pal.
why do liberals ALWAYS take the side of the vile?
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Neither am I, pal.
Sure you have. Repeatedly. Frankly you've been all over the place on this thread: Citing a definition of "real property" from the bad old days of 1856, turning to the founders one second and then suggesting a monarchy's the best form of government, then thinking the American concept of a popular vote resembles the hatred of a mob in ancient Rome. You're a veritable Whitman's Sampler.
Caledvwlch
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Secular, perhaps, but hardly convincing.
Caledvwlch
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Charmingly seasonal. :thumb:
go tries again:
I see you don't include lying in your list things that are vile. It might seem like a good trick now, but now you'll have to live with it. If not in your conscience, I'll be reminding you that you're a liar from time to time. Already seems like a bad idea, doesn't it? Of course, if you can show that I favor illegal voting, you might be able to turn this around. Good luck on that
Ironically, during the Florida vote fraud scandal, an investigation showed that black voters (almost entirely legally qualified to vote) were often removed from voter rolls by republicans, but Cuban voters, (often not legally qualified to vote) were generally left off the voter suppression lists. You seem to have it backwards.
That's a testable belief. Show us some evidence that there are many such people voting. If you find it, you could probably interest the republicans. They keep saying it's a huge problem, but can't actually show that it happens.
Texas has one of the most draconian voter suppression laws in the nation, and one of the largest populations of illegal immigrants. So you're out of luck there, too.
Not likely. Texas makes billions on illegal immigrant labor. The republicans passed voter suppression laws to keep legitimate voters away from the polls, not to stop the almost non-existent voting by non-citizens. Every now and then, one of them forgets, and admits the fact. Want to see that?
I see you don't include lying in your list things that are vile. It might seem like a good trick now, but now you'll have to live with it. If not in your conscience, I'll be reminding you that you're a liar from time to time. Already seems like a bad idea, doesn't it? Of course, if you can show that I favor illegal voting, you might be able to turn this around. Good luck on that
Ironically, during the Florida vote fraud scandal, an investigation showed that black voters (almost entirely legally qualified to vote) were often removed from voter rolls by republicans, but Cuban voters, (often not legally qualified to vote) were generally left off the voter suppression lists. You seem to have it backwards.
That's a testable belief. Show us some evidence that there are many such people voting. If you find it, you could probably interest the republicans. They keep saying it's a huge problem, but can't actually show that it happens.
Texas has one of the most draconian voter suppression laws in the nation, and one of the largest populations of illegal immigrants. So you're out of luck there, too.
Not likely. Texas makes billions on illegal immigrant labor. The republicans passed voter suppression laws to keep legitimate voters away from the polls, not to stop the almost non-existent voting by non-citizens. Every now and then, one of them forgets, and admits the fact. Want to see that?
genuineoriginal
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You are imagining things.
What sort of things are you imagining I have said that "trash the poor and needy"?
The only thing I remember saying about the "poor and needy" in this thread is that they shouldn't have the right to vote.
To back up that claim, I also asked where Jesus said that the "poor and needy" should have the right to vote, and you replied that Jesus never mentioned voting.
I did say I supported all the things that Jesus supported, but maybe you forgot that.
Here is something Jesus supports, in His own words:
Matthew 25:34-40 34 Then shall the King say unto them on his right hand, Come, ye blessed of my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world: 35 For I was an hungred, and ye gave me meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave me drink: I was a stranger, and ye took me in: 36 Naked, and ye clothed me: I was sick, and ye visited me: I was in prison, and ye came unto me. 37 Then shall the righteous answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an hungred, and fed thee? or thirsty, and gave thee drink? 38 When saw we thee a stranger, and took thee in? or naked, and clothed thee? 39 Or when saw we thee sick, or in prison, and came unto thee? 40 And the King shall answer and say unto them, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me. |
genuineoriginal
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genuineoriginal
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I didn't lie.
I made an observation about your belief that foreigners (illegal immigrants ) should be able to vote.
If you would like to retract your earlier statements, go ahead.
Well this didn't take long...
Uh, yeah. That right there. Your undeserved snobbery and arrogance pretty much speaks for itself, GO. Taking away the voice of the least of our society guarantees they'll continue to get screwed. You seem to have zero problem with that. Silencing the desperate is a thug's tactic. And you know it.
Caledvwlch
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Many thousands of times more than all the money that has ever been spent on food stamps.
I'll say it again. You are a liar. And I pointed out that all you have to do to refute that is show where I said illegal immigrants should be able to vote.
You lied. You got caught. Now you'll have to live with it.
You just lied about it. I never said that, and you knew it when you made up the story.
The fact that you again declined to support your claim merely puts a finer point on it. Apparently, you agree with Luther that lying is O.K., if it advances your cause.
Arthur Brain
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Uh, that right there is trashing the poor and needy GO. Denying people a voice based on a lack of wealth or economic status is quite simply discrimination, not too far removed from denying women the same because of gender.
to be fair, he was trained as a Catholic preist
genuineoriginal
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Nothing about my remark trashes the poor and needy.
There is no snobbery and no arrogance from my part, it must all be in your imagination.
Try looking at history instead of having a mindless knee-jerk liberal reaction.
(I guess I didn't need to put mindless and liberal together since liberal implies mindlessness).
republicanchick
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you think the poor and needy should not be allowed to vote??
that is absolutely ridiculous and insane
Jesus was homeless for his entire ministry. He never lived in a palace, though he was/is King of the World (should be anywY)So you would deprive Jesus himself of the vote
how utterly ironic that you then quote Jesus's words about Whatever you do to the least of My brethren, you do unto Me
yes, that is very ironic
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Caledvwlch
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genuineoriginal
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Your ignorance is a prime example of why allowing everyone to vote is a bad idea.
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Democracy and Political Ignorance
Political ignorance in America is deep and widespread. The current government shutdown fight provides some good examples. Although Obamacare is at the center of that fight and much other recent political controversy, 44% percent of the public do not even realize it is still the law. Some 80 percent, according to a recent Kaiser survey, say they have heard “nothing at all” or “only a little” about the controversial insurance exchanges that are a major part of the law. The shutdown controversy is also just the latest manifestation of a longstanding political struggle over federal spending. But most of the public has very little idea of how federal spending is actually distributed. They greatly underestimate the percentage that goes to entitlement programs such as Medicare and Social Security, and vastly overestimate that spent on foreign aid. Public ignorance is not limited to information about specific policies. It also extends to the basic structure of government and how it operates. A 2006 survey found that only 42 percent can even name the three branches of the federal government: the executive, the legislative, and the judicial.
Some people react to data like the above by thinking that the voters must be stupid. Butpolitical ignorance is actually rational for most of the public, including most smart people. If your only reason to follow politics is to be a better voter, that turns out not be much of a reason at all. That is because there is very little chance that your vote will actually make a difference to the outcome of an election (about 1 in 60 million in a presidential race, for example).
For most of us, it is rational to devote very little time to learning about politics, and instead focus on other activities that are more interesting or more likely to be useful. As former British Prime Minister Tony Blair puts it, “[t]he single hardest thing for a practising politician to understand is that most people, most of the time, don’t give politics a first thought all day long. Or if they do, it is with a sigh…. before going back to worrying about the kids, the parents, the mortgage, the boss, their friends, their weight, their health, sex and rock ‘n’ roll.” Most people don’t precisely calculate the odds that their vote will make a difference. But they probably have an intuitive sense that the chances are very small, and act accordingly.
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Democracy and Political Ignorance
Political ignorance in America is deep and widespread. The current government shutdown fight provides some good examples. Although Obamacare is at the center of that fight and much other recent political controversy, 44% percent of the public do not even realize it is still the law. Some 80 percent, according to a recent Kaiser survey, say they have heard “nothing at all” or “only a little” about the controversial insurance exchanges that are a major part of the law. The shutdown controversy is also just the latest manifestation of a longstanding political struggle over federal spending. But most of the public has very little idea of how federal spending is actually distributed. They greatly underestimate the percentage that goes to entitlement programs such as Medicare and Social Security, and vastly overestimate that spent on foreign aid. Public ignorance is not limited to information about specific policies. It also extends to the basic structure of government and how it operates. A 2006 survey found that only 42 percent can even name the three branches of the federal government: the executive, the legislative, and the judicial.
Some people react to data like the above by thinking that the voters must be stupid. Butpolitical ignorance is actually rational for most of the public, including most smart people. If your only reason to follow politics is to be a better voter, that turns out not be much of a reason at all. That is because there is very little chance that your vote will actually make a difference to the outcome of an election (about 1 in 60 million in a presidential race, for example).
For most of us, it is rational to devote very little time to learning about politics, and instead focus on other activities that are more interesting or more likely to be useful. As former British Prime Minister Tony Blair puts it, “[t]he single hardest thing for a practising politician to understand is that most people, most of the time, don’t give politics a first thought all day long. Or if they do, it is with a sigh…. before going back to worrying about the kids, the parents, the mortgage, the boss, their friends, their weight, their health, sex and rock ‘n’ roll.” Most people don’t precisely calculate the odds that their vote will make a difference. But they probably have an intuitive sense that the chances are very small, and act accordingly.
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genuineoriginal
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There you go, lying again to promote your own stupidity.
I did not and if you had any integrity you would admit it.
genuineoriginal
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No, it is not.
It is complete ignorance on your part to think that anyone has a voice with the current voting system.
I suppose it makes you feel all warm and squishy inside to know that all the politically ignorant people that don't have any time to learn what is really going on in government will cancel out their voices by voting based on soundbites like "hope and change", if they even bother to vote at all.
genuineoriginal
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No, it is the result of a rational look at the current mess caused by opening the vote to every politically ignorant person that can be persuaded by a sound bite because they have no time to find out which candidate is worth voting for.