Who is the Remnant Church?

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The remnant are those Jews saved by grace.
  1. Romans 9:27 Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved:
  2. Romans 11:5 Even so then at this present time also there is a remnant according to the election of grace.
There was a remnant saved when Jesus walked the earth, AND AFTER THAT, there is a remnant saved according to grace.
Both of those passages are referring to members of the nation of Israel.
 

beloved57

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Exactly Brother, they are the Seed of the Elect of God, Christ's Seed, which were absolved from all condemnation and eternal punishment because their sins were imputed to Christ Eph. 1:4-6 !

Amen. And tell us, How did Christ have a seed ?
 

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Zechariah 14 is exactly as Revelation 19 - 22. The Bible interprets itself.

Zechariah was a prophet of Israel, whose grandfather was also a prophet of Israel. (Zech 1:1)

Zechariah was writing to Israel. (Zech 1:2)

Zechariah says that the LORD will protect Israel against all nations that come against Jerusalem. (Zech 12:9)

Chapter 14 is about the LORD's return and the triumph of Israel over the gentiles nations.

It's all focused on Israel and God's dealings with them.
 

God's Truth

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when He cared for them because of His covenant with Abraham...and when they left by faith they ALREADY were full of those NOT of Jacob...and THEN He gave THIS ekklessia in the wilderness the living oracles Act 7:38 including the Sabbath the ONLY one that SPECIFICALLY included “the strangers within thy gates”...ONE LAW for native and foreigner THE SAME
The strangers within the gates were called a child of God?
hmmm...Yah NOT caring for the WORLD He loved so much that He sent His only begotten Son for...that WHOSOEVER...or was it just Jews?
I am saying what the Bible says. You have a problem with God.

The wild olive tree didn’t obey God and do the things God said to do.

because of their unbelief in Him not because of their unbelief in the Sabbath...

Their unbelief in Jesus is their unbelief in Jesus being the Sabbath Rest and it is why they weren’t saved.

Isaiah 30:15 This is what the Sovereign LORD, the Holy One of Israel, says: "In repentance and rest is your salvation, in quietness and trust is your strength, but you would have none of it.

Matthew 11:28 "Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest.

Matthew 11:29 Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls.

Isaiah 30:15 This is what the Sovereign LORD, the Holy One of Israel, says: "In repentance and rest is your salvation, in quietness and trust is your strength, but you would have none of it.

Isaiah 28:12 to whom he said, "This is the resting place, let the weary rest";



clefty;n2767461[/FONT said:
they killed their husband but still kept the Law It’s temple...the irony

You need to give scripture for that weird teaching.
 
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forgive what? Sin...STILL the transgression of His unchanging Law...and you claim it is only 9/10ths?

You don't know there are changes to the law and you don't put people to death for dishonoring their parents?

You already broke the law you claim you obey.

circumcising our hearts with NO HANDS signifying we are OBEDIENT to Him His ways and not stubborn in our own
That is not what it means.

It means since Jesus came, cutting of the male organ is now worthless. Just like observing a special day.

into the obedience of water baptism and footwashing as example for us to do John 13:14

That is symbolic of what Jesus does for the saved

priests ministering what a “every day is Sabbath eat whatever” faith which does NOT love as He loved us...or have us follow Him to live JUST AS He lived...

Not even Peter believed that NOR was it ruled in Acts 15 but to keep clean meat CLEAN
What did God say to him though?

Not taught or demonstrated by ANYONE in scripture...
You think the Gentiles stopped eating pork and shrimp? You think they stopped eating the beef with it's milk?

The kingdom of heaven isn't a matter of food and drink.

Romans 14:17 For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.

In fact Sabbath expected to be kept in future times of trouble long after the time of when Scripture was written.

Of course it was going to be kept, because there were those who rejected Christ and still are people who observe the Sabbath and reject Christ.

For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.
 

beloved57

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You are speaking of things your icky false teachers taught you that isn't in the Bible.

Isa 53:10

10 Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand.
 

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Isa 53:10

10 Yet it pleased the Lord to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the Lord shall prosper in his hand.

You think Jesus like a mere man who has his seed in him, his biological descendants in him?

We are God's children BY FAITH and obedience.

Jesus TELLS US HOW TO become a child of God's.

You teaching that Jesus has us in his body before we ever heard of him and believed and obeyed is just a twisted story.

2 Corinthians 6:14Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? 15And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?

16And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

17Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,

18And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.



Revelation 21:7 Those who are victorious will inherit all this, and I will be their God and they will be my children.


Did you read those scriptures?

We WILL be Jesus' children AFTER WE ARE CLEANED.
 

clefty

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The strangers within the gates were called a child of God?
Sure...whosoever by faith repents and follows Him...

they endured the plagues suffered loss of eldest and STILL followed a new God into the wilderness...ONE LAW for native and foreigner the SAME...and were given permission to worship, the Promise even the Sabbath (only Law including them) and the land...

4 of them listed in the genealogy of Yahushua...

You think Israel was by blood? lol

Sarah’s egg was spiritually donated by Divine intervention remember?

Jacob was renamed Israel by Divine intervention...

Israel is by adoption by promise by faith...those whosoever believe and obey...endure to the end


I am saying what the Bible says. You have a problem with God.
For Yah so loved the world...not just Jews

The wild olive tree didn’t obey God and do the things God said to do.
neither did the cultivated one...which actually was expected to

He saved ALL while they were still sinners...enemies even

Their unbelief in Jesus is their unbelief in Jesus being the Sabbath Rest and it is why they weren’t saved.
lol...He is NOT a calendar day after six others of work...He forgives sins IS WHY He is SAVIOR

All that was pointing to Him His ministry...Once SAVED you receive AND ACCEPT a calendar day of rest after six days of work

They kept the Sabbath and their temple but rejected Him...

What you do is ADD to the Word: Yahushua AS a calendar day of the week

What you do is REMOVE from the Word: Sabbath as ONLY a calendar day of the week the seventh after six days of work

NOT ONCE is Sabbath mentioned in the following:

Isaiah 30:15 This is what the Sovereign LORD, the Holy One of Israel, says: "In repentance and rest is your salvation, in quietness and trust is your strength, but you would have none of it.

Strong's Hebrew: 5183. נָ֫חַת (Nachath) — 8 Occurrences

Job 17:16
HEB: עַל־ עָפָ֣ר נָֽחַת׃ ס
NAS: Shall we together go down into the dust?
KJV: of the pit, when [our] rest together
INT: in the dust go

Job 36:16
HEB: מוּצָ֣ק תַּחְתֶּ֑יהָ וְנַ֥חַת שֻׁ֝לְחָנְךָ֗ מָ֣לֵא
NAS: constraint; And that which was set on your table
KJV: [there is] no straitness; and that which should be set on thy table
INT: constraint Instead which your table was full

Proverbs 29:9
HEB: וְ֝שָׂחַ֗ק וְאֵ֣ין נָֽחַת׃
NAS: or laughs, and there is no rest.
KJV: or laugh, [there is] no rest.
INT: laughs and there rest

Ecclesiastes 4:6
HEB: מְלֹ֥א כַ֖ף נָ֑חַת מִמְּלֹ֥א חָפְנַ֛יִם
NAS: One hand full of rest is better than
KJV: [is] an handful [with] quietness, than both the hands
INT: full hand of rest full fists

Ecclesiastes 6:5
HEB: וְלֹ֣א יָדָ֑ע נַ֥חַת לָזֶ֖ה מִזֶּֽה׃
NAS: knows [anything]; it is better off than
KJV: [any thing]: this hath more rest than
INT: never knows is better this than

Ecclesiastes 9:17
HEB: דִּבְרֵ֣י חֲכָמִ֔ים בְּנַ֖חַת נִשְׁמָעִ֑ים מִזַּעֲקַ֥ת
NAS: heard in quietness are [better] than
KJV: [men are] heard in quiet more than the cry
INT: the words of the wise quietness heard the cry

Isaiah 30:15
HEB: יִשְׂרָאֵ֗ל בְּשׁוּבָ֤ה וָנַ֙חַת֙ תִּוָּ֣שֵׁע֔וּן בְּהַשְׁקֵט֙
NAS: In repentance and rest you will be saved,
KJV: In returning and rest shall ye be saved;
INT: of Israel repentance and rest will be saved quietness

Isaiah 30:30
HEB: ה֣וֹד קוֹל֗וֹ וְנַ֤חַת זְרוֹעוֹ֙ יַרְאֶ֔ה
NAS: to be heard, And the descending of His arm
KJV: and shall shew the lighting down of his arm,
INT: of authority his voice and the descending of his arm to be seen

Matthew 11:28 "Come to me, all you who are weary and burdened, and I will give you rest.

Strong's Greek: 373. ἀναπαύω (anapauó) — 12 Occurrences

Matthew 11:28 V-FIA-1S
GRK: πεφορτισμένοι κἀγὼ ἀναπαύσω ὑμᾶς
NAS: and heavy-laden, and I will give you rest.
KJV: will give you rest.
INT: are burdened and I will give rest you

Matthew 26:45 V-PIM-2P
GRK: λοιπὸν καὶ ἀναπαύεσθε ἰδοὺ ἤγγικεν
NAS: sleeping and resting? Behold,
KJV: and take [your] rest: behold,
INT: later on and take your rest Behold has drawn near

Mark 6:31 V-AMM-2P
GRK: τόπον καὶ ἀναπαύσασθε ὀλίγον ἦσαν
NAS: place and rest a while.
KJV: place, and rest a while: for
INT: place and rest a little Were

Mark 14:41 V-PIM-2P
GRK: λοιπὸν καὶ ἀναπαύεσθε ἀπέχει ἦλθεν
NAS: sleeping and resting? It is enough;
KJV: and take [your] rest: it is enough,
INT: now and take your rest It is enough has come

Luke 12:19 V-PMM-2S
GRK: ἔτη πολλά ἀναπαύου φάγε πίε
NAS: years [to come]; take your ease, eat,
KJV: years; take thine ease, eat,
INT: years many take your rest eat drink

1 Corinthians 16:18 V-AIA-3P
GRK: ἀνέπαυσαν γὰρ τὸ
NAS: For they have refreshed my spirit
KJV: For they have refreshed my spirit
INT: They refreshed indeed

2 Corinthians 7:13 V-RIM/P-3S
GRK: Τίτου ὅτι ἀναπέπαυται τὸ πνεῦμα
NAS: his spirit has been refreshed by you all.
KJV: his spirit was refreshed by you
INT: of Titus because has been refreshed the spirit

Philemon 1:7 V-RIM/P-3S
GRK: τῶν ἁγίων ἀναπέπαυται διὰ σοῦ
NAS: of the saints have been refreshed through
KJV: of the saints are refreshed by
INT: of the saints have been refreshed by you

Philemon 1:20 V-AMA-2S
GRK: ἐν κυρίῳ ἀνάπαυσόν μου τὰ
NAS: from you in the Lord; refresh my heart
KJV: in the Lord: refresh my bowels
INT: in [the] Lord refresh my

1 Peter 4:14 V-PIM-3S
GRK: ἐφ' ὑμᾶς ἀναπαύεται κατὰ μὲν
NAS: of glory and of God rests on you.
KJV: and of God resteth upon you:
INT: upon you rests on indeed

Revelation 6:11 V-FIM-3P
GRK: αὐτοῖς ἵνα ἀναπαύσονται ἔτι χρόνον
NAS: and they were told that they should rest for a little
KJV: that they should rest yet
INT: to them that they should rest yet a time

Revelation 14:13 V-FIP-3P
GRK: πνεῦμα ἵνα ἀναπαήσονται ἐκ τῶν
NAS: so that they may rest from their labors,
KJV: that they may rest from
INT: Spirit that they may rest from the

Matthew 11:29 Take my yoke upon you and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and you will find rest for your souls.

Strong's Greek: 372. ἀνάπαυσις (anapausis) — 5 Occurrences

Matthew 11:29 N-AFS
GRK: καὶ εὑρήσετε ἀνάπαυσιν ταῖς ψυχαῖς
NAS: and YOU WILL FIND REST FOR YOUR SOULS.
KJV: ye shall find rest unto your
INT: and you will find rest [for] the souls

Matthew 12:43 N-AFS
GRK: τόπων ζητοῦν ἀνάπαυσιν καὶ οὐχ
NAS: seeking rest, and does not find
KJV: places, seeking rest, and findeth
INT: places seeking rest and none

Luke 11:24 N-AFS
GRK: τόπων ζητοῦν ἀνάπαυσιν καὶ μὴ
NAS: seeking rest, and not finding
KJV: places, seeking rest; and finding
INT: places seeking rest and not

Revelation 4:8 N-AFS
GRK: ὀφθαλμῶν καὶ ἀνάπαυσιν οὐκ ἔχουσιν
NAS: and night they do not cease to say,
KJV: within: and they rest not day
INT: of eyes and cessation not they have

Revelation 14:11 N-AFS
GRK: οὐκ ἔχουσιν ἀνάπαυσιν ἡμέρας καὶ
NAS: they have no rest day and night,
KJV: they have no rest day nor
INT: not they have respite day and


Isaiah 30:15 This is what the Sovereign LORD, the Holy One of Israel, says: "In repentance and rest is your salvation, in quietness and trust is your strength, but you would have none of it.

Strong's Hebrew: 5183. נָ֫חַת (Nachath) — 8 Occurrences

Job 17:16
HEB: עַל־ עָפָ֣ר נָֽחַת׃ ס
NAS: Shall we together go down into the dust?
KJV: of the pit, when [our] rest together
INT: in the dust go

Job 36:16
HEB: מוּצָ֣ק תַּחְתֶּ֑יהָ וְנַ֥חַת שֻׁ֝לְחָנְךָ֗ מָ֣לֵא
NAS: constraint; And that which was set on your table
KJV: [there is] no straitness; and that which should be set on thy table
INT: constraint Instead which your table was full

Proverbs 29:9
HEB: וְ֝שָׂחַ֗ק וְאֵ֣ין נָֽחַת׃
NAS: or laughs, and there is no rest.
KJV: or laugh, [there is] no rest.
INT: laughs and there rest

Ecclesiastes 4:6
HEB: מְלֹ֥א כַ֖ף נָ֑חַת מִמְּלֹ֥א חָפְנַ֛יִם
NAS: One hand full of rest is better than
KJV: [is] an handful [with] quietness, than both the hands
INT: full hand of rest full fists

Ecclesiastes 6:5
HEB: וְלֹ֣א יָדָ֑ע נַ֥חַת לָזֶ֖ה מִזֶּֽה׃
NAS: knows [anything]; it is better off than
KJV: [any thing]: this hath more rest than
INT: never knows is better this than

Ecclesiastes 9:17
HEB: דִּבְרֵ֣י חֲכָמִ֔ים בְּנַ֖חַת נִשְׁמָעִ֑ים מִזַּעֲקַ֥ת
NAS: heard in quietness are [better] than
KJV: [men are] heard in quiet more than the cry
INT: the words of the wise quietness heard the cry

Isaiah 30:15
HEB: יִשְׂרָאֵ֗ל בְּשׁוּבָ֤ה וָנַ֙חַת֙ תִּוָּ֣שֵׁע֔וּן בְּהַשְׁקֵט֙
NAS: In repentance and rest you will be saved,
KJV: In returning and rest shall ye be saved;
INT: of Israel repentance and rest will be saved quietness

Isaiah 30:30
HEB: ה֣וֹד קוֹל֗וֹ וְנַ֤חַת זְרוֹעוֹ֙ יַרְאֶ֔ה
NAS: to be heard, And the descending of His arm
KJV: and shall shew the lighting down of his arm,
INT: of authority his voice and the descending of his arm to be seen

Isaiah 28:12 to whom he said, "This is the resting place, let the weary rest";


Strong's Hebrew: 4496. מְנוּחָה (menuchah or menuchah) — 22 Occurrences

Genesis 49:15
HEB: וַיַּ֤רְא מְנֻחָה֙ כִּ֣י ט֔וֹב
NAS: When he saw that a resting place was good
KJV: And he saw that rest [was] good,
INT: saw A resting for was good

Numbers 10:33
HEB: לָת֥וּר לָהֶ֖ם מְנוּחָֽה׃
NAS: to seek out a resting place for them.
KJV: to search out a resting place for them.
INT: days to seek A resting

Deuteronomy 12:9
HEB: עָ֑תָּה אֶל־ הַמְּנוּחָה֙ וְאֶל־ הַֽנַּחֲלָ֔ה
NAS: come to the resting place and the inheritance
KJV: For ye are not as yet come to the rest and to the inheritance,
INT: yet to the resting and to the inheritance

Judges 20:43
HEB: בִּנְיָמִן֙ הִרְדִיפֻ֔הוּ מְנוּחָ֖ה הִדְרִיכֻ֑הוּ עַ֛ד
NAS: pursued them without rest [and] trod them down
KJV: them, [and] trode them down with ease over against
INT: Benjamin pursued rest trod against

Ruth 1:9
HEB: לָכֶ֔ם וּמְצֶ֣אןָ מְנוּחָ֔ה אִשָּׁ֖ה בֵּ֣ית
NAS: that you may find rest, each
KJV: you that ye may find rest, each
INT: may the LORD you may find rest each the house

2 Samuel 14:17
HEB: אֲדֹנִ֥י הַמֶּ֖לֶךְ לִמְנוּחָ֑ה כִּ֣י ׀ כְּמַלְאַ֣ךְ
NAS: the king be comforting, for as the angel
KJV: the king shall now be comfortable: for as an angel
INT: of my lord the king be comforting for as the angel

1 Kings 8:56
HEB: אֲשֶׁ֨ר נָתַ֤ן מְנוּחָה֙ לְעַמּ֣וֹ יִשְׂרָאֵ֔ל
NAS: has given rest to His people
KJV: that hath given rest unto his people
INT: who has given rest to his people Israel

1 Chronicles 22:9
HEB: יִהְיֶה֙ אִ֣ישׁ מְנוּחָ֔ה וַהֲנִח֥וֹתִי ל֛וֹ
NAS: shall be a man of rest; and I will give him rest
KJV: to thee, who shall be a man of rest; and I will give him rest
INT: shall be a man of rest will give all

1 Chronicles 28:2
HEB: לִבְנוֹת֩ בֵּ֨ית מְנוּחָ֜ה לַאֲר֣וֹן בְּרִית־
NAS: to build a permanent home
KJV: an house of rest for the ark
INT: to build home A permanent the ark of the covenant

Psalm 23:2
HEB: עַל־ מֵ֖י מְנֻח֣וֹת יְנַהֲלֵֽנִי׃
NAS: He leads me beside quiet waters.
KJV: he leadeth me beside the still waters.
INT: beside waters quiet leads

Strong's Hebrew: 5117. נ֫וּחַ (nuach) — 67 Occurrences

Genesis 8:4
HEB: וַתָּ֤נַח הַתֵּבָה֙ בַּחֹ֣דֶשׁ
NAS: the ark rested upon the mountains
KJV: And the ark rested in the seventh
INT: rested the ark month

Exodus 10:14
HEB: אֶ֣רֶץ מִצְרַ֔יִם וַיָּ֕נַח בְּכֹ֖ל גְּב֣וּל
NAS: of Egypt and settled in all
KJV: of Egypt, and rested in all the coasts
INT: the land of Egypt and settled all the territory

Exodus 17:11
HEB: יִשְׂרָאֵ֑ל וְכַאֲשֶׁ֥ר יָנִ֛יחַ יָד֖וֹ וְגָבַ֥ר
NAS: he let his hand down, Amalek
KJV: prevailed: and when he let down his hand,
INT: Israel after down his hand prevailed

Exodus 20:11
HEB: אֲשֶׁר־ בָּ֔ם וַיָּ֖נַח בַּיּ֣וֹם הַשְּׁבִיעִ֑י
NAS: and all that is in them, and rested on the seventh
KJV: the sea, and all that in them [is], and rested the seventh
INT: and all after rested day the seventh

Exodus 23:12
HEB: תִּשְׁבֹּ֑ת לְמַ֣עַן יָנ֗וּחַ שֽׁוֹרְךָ֙ וַחֲמֹרֶ֔ךָ
NAS: and your donkey may rest, and the son
KJV: and thine *** may rest, and the son
INT: shall cease so may rest your ox and your donkey

Exodus 33:14
HEB: פָּנַ֥י יֵלֵ֖כוּ וַהֲנִחֹ֥תִי לָֽךְ׃
NAS: shall go [with you], and I will give you rest.
KJV: shall go [with thee], and I will give thee rest.
INT: my presence shall go will give

Numbers 10:36
HEB: וּבְנֻחֹ֖ה יֹאמַ֑ר שׁוּבָ֣ה
NAS: When it came to rest, he said,
KJV: And when it rested, he said, Return,
INT: came said Return

Numbers 11:25
HEB: הַזְּקֵנִ֑ים וַיְהִ֗י כְּנ֤וֹחַ עֲלֵיהֶם֙ הָר֔וּחַ
NAS: And when the Spirit rested upon them, they prophesied.
KJV: and it came to pass, [that], when the spirit rested upon them, they prophesied,
INT: elders become rested and when the Spirit


Sabbath is a DAY of the week and REMAINS HOLY...the other days of the week are NOT...

CURSED is anyone who ADDS or REMOVES from the WORD...

As Eve did...

So PLEASE do not insist Yahushua is a calendar day one after six days of work.

Nor claim you can make the other days holy which are not...that TOO idolatry...

And if you EVER attempt to equate Yahushua with a seventh day of rest known as the Sabbath

I will just call you EVE..because she too added to the WORD as you do...

As did the Pharisees to change the very day you wish to as well...

Changing both times and Law...NOT GOOD...ok?

As if the ark came to Sabbath on Mount Ararat...LOL


You need to give scripture for that weird teaching.

Was or was not Israel His wife then she killed Him terminating their marriage covenant forever?

You seem to prefer your own words to His..

so here you yourself posted to me just one post later about the Sabbath its been kept by those that also killed their Husband:

“Of course it was going to be kept, because there were those who rejected Christ and still are people who observe the Sabbath and reject Christ.”

As if Noah’s ark came to Sabbath on Mount Ararat...LOL
 

clefty

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You don't know there are changes to the law
to the administration of it sure...the laws of priesthood were changed as the transfer from mortal high priest to immortal high priest was completed...so that He can now administrate and minister the ETERNAL Law...

and you don't put people to death for dishonoring their parents?
vengeance is His now...no need for blood shed His Wrath is appeased for now...but judgement day is coming...the Law remains the standard

You already broke the law you claim you obey.
you miss you are NOT the judge to enforce the sentence ok?

And if the Law is broken IS WHY we have grace and merely repent and do works His works...befitting that repentance

That is not what it means.
that is what is ALWAYS MEANT...even the circumcised were uncircumcised at heart and judged that way WHEN NOT OBEDIENT

Circumcision or Uncircumcision is worthless as flesh profits NOTHING it is the Spirit and lead you to OBEY the commandments of Yah...

It means since Jesus came, cutting of the male organ is now worthless.
it was a sign and NEVER SAVED unto salvation but indicated His contrite set apart people

Was DONE to a person at infancy and worthless unto salvation...or else how were women saved?

Just as we reject infant baptism as they did NOT choose it...

Just like observing a special day.
yup also a sign of His people...a perpetual one and sets them apart makes the sanctified as IT is...ironically it is ALSO worthless UNTO salvation as KEEPING the LAW does NOT justify...NEVER DID...only He can SAVE only we can accept and maintain it...preserve it...endure the faith...with Him

The LAW is kept AFTER salvation as demonstrated in the saving of Israel and THEN receiving the Law...

Israel only GROANED and He remembered His promise to Abraham and saved them...by faith then obedience...

That is symbolic of what Jesus does for the saved
EXACTLY...BINGO...

Because of our faith we baptize allow Him to wash our feet...wash one another’s...”baptize ALL nations INTO observing ALL I commanded...”

ALLL of this the same...

Worship no other gods...because of what Jesus does
Make no images...because of what Jesus does
Do NOT blaspheme His Name...because of what Yahushua does
Do NOT dishonor parents...because of what Yahushua does
Do NOT kill...because of what Yahushua does
Do NOT commit adultery...because of what Yahushua does
Do NOT steal...because of what Yahushua does
Do NOT LIE...because of what Yahushua does
Do NOT covet...because of what Yahushua does

Hmmmm did I miss one?

Oh yeah...Remember the Sabbath day:

Because of what Yahushua did at creation and at Egypt and at Sinai when He gave these living oracles to His Body in the wilderness ALREADY FULL of those NOT of Jacob

Oh and what He did on the cross and then RESTED the first full day of the New Covenant Age...the second Adam rested and was refreshed raised on a Sabbath...

And just like the first Adam rested unearned on his first full day...so He rested in the tomb undeserved...


What did God say to him though?
reminded Him the goyim were NOT unclean...just read in the OT how ALREADY Israel was full of them...Peter understood that and interpreted it twice that way...that goyim were NOT unclean...

NOT once a message of “let’s eat Ham”

You think the Gentiles stopped eating pork and shrimp? You think they stopped eating the beef with it's milk?
You think making sure a swine was not offered to an idol was ok for after hearing Moses fellowship at the synagogue every Sabbath in every city? LOL

“But but but I made sure all the blood was drained and it was NOT strangled” LOL

The kingdom of heaven isn't a matter of food and drink.

Romans 14:17 For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.
never was TO GET IN...in fact if you get unclean merely wash and wait for the sun to go down...

Food and drink only mattered ONCE YOU ARE IN the kingdom a citizen of Israel...to set you apart a peculiar people sanctified and Holy...His...you know with a sign...NOT like the world or former self but MORE like Him and the way it was before this detour of sin...it was meant to discipline and train you...edify understanding of the work being done in your INNER being...what is unclean can NOT defile you UNLESS your heart is defiled and chooses that Ham sandwich...the inner determines what comes in...and what comes out...

These cosmopolitan Greeks knew Jews didnt eat pork and WANTING to hear more about One resurrected for the forgiveness of ALL they crowded synagogues to fellowship and hear more of Moses every Sabbath...but they didn’t realize that clean meat could be made UNCLEAN so details were hammered out...they were NOT being rude or ill mannered insisting on former ways to dirty their hosts hospitality...

Those believing and saved first century gentiles WANTED to keep His House rules unlike modern Christians who wish to merely LOOT the Promise but reject the very Law it is enshrined in the Law preserving our rights to inheritance and adoption...

nope they would rather riot in cheap grace “law of LIBERTY” and whenever correction is needed scream “DEFUND THE POLICE”...signs of the times...can’t blame them though generations of “Just Jesus and love is all you need” does not a lawful kingdom make...

So...

Simply answer what was lifestyle in Eden and THAT is the lifestyle we are to live...cuz that is the LIFESTYLE we are going to be restored to...His Way...the way OF His Faith...neat eh?

Of course it was going to be kept,

Yup and in 66 AD they heeded His warning and left Jerusalem...NOT in ONE day...lol certainly NOT on the Sabbath...they had many to choose from

Yahushua knew “destroy this temple not leave one stone upon another” would take longer than ONE day...lol

He merely instructed prayers that the Sabbath be kept as “run to the hills” is NOT very restful...ya dig?

Choose another day He meant...maybe not in the winter...

“TIBERIUS!!! But we came all this way today and the gates are locked”

“Yes Titus...I told you NOT to attack on their annoying Sabbath...they keep the Christians locked in that way”

“What?!!! it’s that annoying Sabbath? But that is a Jewish custom NOT Lawful for us being Romans to receive or observe” Acts 16:21

LOL

because there were those who rejected Christ and still are people who observe the Sabbath and reject Christ.
right we JUST covered that...

The LAW NEVER justified...so doing it does NOT save...

ONLY He does that...and THEN faith compels works...His works and not some golden calf of making ALL days Holy and to rest ALL day never working for Him or family the other six days...

That’s what Roman Catholics do...make all sorts of things NOT holy Holy...other pagans too...

For the kingdom of God is not meat and drink; but righteousness, and peace, and joy in the Holy Ghost.
yup...and may His Spirit guide you into all things righteous according to His standard and not man’s or woman’s tradition...do NOT add or take away from His word...

Do NOT steal worship and your alms of time from His temple in time...

Do NOT make images of ALL DAYS are holy and worship that image...

Discipline yourself with food and drink and His Holy days to teach you what you received...clean pure and Holy...to be His people...a holy clean pure priest and temple..

Trust me...once SAVED you are learning the lifestyle of what you will be restored too...MORE like Him less like this world your former self...

No Sunday Ham dinners in heaven...LOL
 

beloved57

Well-known member
You think Jesus like a mere man who has his seed in him, his biological descendants in him?

We are God's children BY FAITH and obedience.

Jesus TELLS US HOW TO become a child of God's.

You teaching that Jesus has us in his body before we ever heard of him and believed and obeyed is just a twisted story.

2 Corinthians 6:14Be ye not unequally yoked together with unbelievers: for what fellowship hath righteousness with unrighteousness? and what communion hath light with darkness? 15And what concord hath Christ with Belial? or what part hath he that believeth with an infidel?

16And what agreement hath the temple of God with idols? for ye are the temple of the living God; as God hath said, I will dwell in them, and walk in them; and I will be their God, and they shall be my people.

17Wherefore come out from among them, and be ye separate, saith the Lord, and touch not the unclean thing; and I will receive you,

18And will be a Father unto you, and ye shall be my sons and daughters, saith the Lord Almighty.



Revelation 21:7 Those who are victorious will inherit all this, and I will be their God and they will be my children.


Did you read those scriptures?

We WILL be Jesus' children AFTER WE ARE CLEANED.

Yes His seed was in Him ! God put them in Him 1 Cor 1:30
 

clefty

New member
What is your misunderstanding now?

when you claimed you loved Jesus...and follow God’s Truth...

I misunderstood you to mean that...

You aren’t even pleased to be a debtor...maybe because you are not?

He did say “IF you have shared of their spiritual things”...but you reject Him His ways...live according to another gospel another christ...

Paul hoped the Gentiles to be an acceptable offering to Yah...to be sanctified by His Holy Spirit...Romans 15:16

you seem to wish NOT to be set apart or made Holy...and NOT follow the Holy Spirit...His Way...

your fruit does NOT match the fruit of the branches NOT cut off for unbelief but sustained still by the root and trunk of an ancient tree since from the beginning before sin even...
 
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