You are wasting your time. Try the Scriptures.
ECT WHO IS THE HEAD OF THE EKKLESIA TODAY ??
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You are wasting your time. Try the Scriptures.
lifeisgood
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He can't follow the Scriptures.
He has to follow what the 'infallible' RCC pope(s) commands.
Cedarbay
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That was not my question, Cruciform.
Scripture is clear that the one, holy, catholic (universal) and apostolic church is found in the elect of Christ, both visible and invisible.
"Perhaps the most succinct and the best statement of the church as invisible and visible is found in the Westminster Standards. Chapter 25, "Of the Church," states:
"The catholic or universal church, which is invisible, consists of the whole number of the elect, that have been, are, or shall be gathered into one, under Christ the Head thereof; and is the spouse, the body, the fullness of him that filleth all in all.
The visible church, which is also catholic or universal under the gospel (not confined to one nation, as before under the law), consists of all those throughout the world that profess the true religion;
and of their children: and is the kingdom of the Lord Jesus Christ, the house and family of God, out of which there is no ordinary possibility of salvation" (sections 1, 2). (monergism.com)
Cruciform
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Catholics had been believing and living that text for a millennium-and-a-half before a single Protestant ever managed to stumble onto the scene. Thanks, though. :up:
Cruciform
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The sources cited in Post #59 are filled with biblical references and arguments. Your transparent excuse for ignoring relevant information, however, is noted.
Cruciform
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Rather, I follow both.
oatmeal
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Good post, good thread!
You still have not answered the question.
Cruciform
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lifeisgood
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You can't follow the Scriptures and your 'infallible' RCC pope(s) commands at the same time because one or the other has to go.
And guess which one the current 'infallible' RCC pope has reaffirmed contrary to Scriptures:
"And if at times our efforts and works seem to fail and produce no fruit, we need to remember that we are followers of Jesus… and his life, humanly speaking, ended in failure, the failure of the cross.” Since the Vatican confirms the translation....
https://heiscomingblog.wordpress.co...d-pope-francis-say-jesus-failed-at-the-cross/
is that true ? did the pope really refer to Jesus Christ ant the Cross as a failure ? if so, that's the last straw. he barely mentions Christ on his visit but manages to say that ? unreal -
lifeisgood
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Yes, he did. What I provided is from the approved Vatican script.
"And if at times our efforts and works seem to fail and produce no fruit, we need to remember that we are followers of Jesus… and his life, humanly speaking, ended in failure, the failure of the cross.” Since the Vatican confirms the translation....
https://heiscomingblog.wordpress.com...-at-the-cross/
HisServant
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Nice try on your part... but in order to believe what you do, you have to come to the conclusion that the Holy Spirit inspired the authors of the New Testament to LIE.
Your God apparently inspires SIN.
revpete
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Thanks for that but your "proof" of apostolic succession lies in the third part of the article you pointed me at. The first two parts of the first article proves nothing except your exegetical gymnastics! The third part is just RC tradition which counts for nothing. Does the pope think he is the head of the church?
Pete
lifeisgood
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The current 'infallible' pope said that he came in his own name.
Pope Francis: What He Told the United Nations General Assembly
http://abcnews.go.com/US/pope-francis-told-united-nations-general-assembly/story?id=34034426
“ …In my own name, and that of the entire Catholic community, I wish to express to you, Mr Ban Ki-moon, my heartfelt gratitude….”
Pope Francis: What He Told the United Nations General Assembly
http://abcnews.go.com/US/pope-francis-told-united-nations-general-assembly/story?id=34034426
“ …In my own name, and that of the entire Catholic community, I wish to express to you, Mr Ban Ki-moon, my heartfelt gratitude….”
Cruciform
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Post your proof for this utterly unsubstantiated False Dichotomy.
Now go ahead and quote the qualifying statement that you omitted with the ellipse highlighted above. :yawn:
Gaudium de veritate,
Cruciform
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Cruciform
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Proof, please.
Cruciform
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...according to the mere opinions of your preferred recently-invented, man-made non-Catholic sect, anyway. And as such, your favored sect possesses no binding doctrinal authority whatsoever, but merely the fallible traditions of men.
...unless the Catholic Church is in fact that one historic Church founded by Jesus Christ himself, and against which he declared that the gates of Hades would never---NEVER---prevail (Mt. 16:18-19; 1 Tim. 3:15), which it most certainly is.
Specifically, the derivative, earthly head of Christ's one historic Church, yes. The ultimate, heavenly Head of the Church, no.
Gaudium de veritate,
Cruciform
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HisServant
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The simple fact that you think the Holy Spirit was afraid and chose to use the term Babylon instead of Rome makes the Holy Spirit out to be a liar!