Yup...add to that Gen 18:11-15
Yah even reminded her she disbelieved she could still bare children as if He couldn’t do it...and she STILL denied it...
WOMEN!...right? Ha
WHO IS GOD'S ISRAEL IN THE NEW COVENANT ACCORDING TO THE SCRIPTURES?
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Yup...add to that Gen 18:11-15
Yah even reminded her she disbelieved she could still bare children as if He couldn’t do it...and she STILL denied it...
WOMEN!...right? Ha
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Just because a woman didn't have children it doesn't mean she didn't have eggs. lol
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I wouldn't ever do that.
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MEN! hahaha What happened to Elizabeth's husband Zachariah when he didn't believe?
Oh and are you an obgyn? lol
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A person could not have faith but do things God says, and vice versa. The truth is we have to have faith and obey.
They would be dead if they didn't obey.
Do you not know that none of them got to see the promised land, except for those who were under age.
Jesus said to keep the old laws concerning the temple while it was still standing because the Pharisee and teachers of the law would come to arrest and kill them.
Of course Jesus came and changed the old covenant when he made the new covenant.
What are you saying? You said don't have faith in Jesus?! Jesus preached to have faith in him.
sigh...now what?...wasn’t even talking to you...
he was speechless...couldn’t believe his wife might consent to sex...? Haha
no...but do I need to be to read what the Creator of women said?
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What did you do with all those scriptures I gave you to prove you wrong?
And, you are no obgyn.
And, Abraham wouldn't have been promised anything if it weren't for him obeying!
Genesis 22:18 and through your offspring all nations on earth will be blessed, because you have obeyed me."
Genesis 26:4-5I will make your descendants as numerous as the stars in the sky and will give them all these lands, and through your offspring all nations on earth will be blessed, because Abraham obeyed me and kept my requirements, my commands, my decrees and my laws."
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Aw don't make me feel sorry for you.
Where did God say Sarah didn't have eggs? LOL!
He even came to hate their offerings and Sabbaths because it was not from the heart...is why MERCY rather than sacrifice...the Law did NOT perfect
yes but not obey to earn salvation...
only the first born would be dead...and please be aware you have the luxury of hindsight...if you were there and asked to take a lamb and kill it and spread its blood on the door sill...it would be because you believed that instruction was for you because you believed this came from the God of your ancestor Abraham which you believed you are...and you would have the believe and faith that He would kill your first born...
so BY FAITH you would do these works...not to become a Hebrew/Israelite...but because you thought you already were
right...they failed in their faith and thus disobeyed...you fail in faith first then disobey...
I seem to have read where you insist you don’t add to the word...what He said was “Do as they teach from the seat of Moses not as they do” exactly because they didn’t do what Moses taught...the irony...”THINK NOT I have come to destroy the Law” He said and yet you insist...you believe rather jewish false witness that He did...
That new covenant was signed by His blood and sealed by His death...NO CHANGES after the death of a testator...ya dig? So the new covenant is EXACTLY as He lived and taught and demonstrated...as NO CHANGES can be made after the testator dies...
you argue exactly as the MAD do that it wasnt meant for you as the toast at the last supper was only to a room full of jews...
I cited one text...It says clearly have the faith OF Jesus...so what was His faith? Islam Buddhist Hindu Catholic Protestant?
responded in kind...you’re too distracted to notice
don’t need to be to read Sarah was past her age to make descendants...She denied what Yah could do you deny He needed to...
works do not merit...faith does...by faith Abraham...
yup...faith first...then obedience
you have talked yourself far from the original point...faith first and Spiritual intervention defines Israel...WHOSOEVER has faith claim their inheritance and obey...and not just whatever they pick and choose...they have the faith OF Yahushua...follow Him His way...do as He did...
as if His kingdom is an apartheid state...”we are here by faith so we wanted to keep the OT law”...”we are here but we didn’t”...LOL...yeah right
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unlike you...I don’t make all this about myself...
I gave you texts...and if you think “barren” is from another biological abnormality...cite that passage...
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You should have happen what happened to Zachariah, but with your fingers and the Internet.
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You are a dishonest person for sure.
You are too ignorant to realize she didn't have children even when she was young. It doesn't mean that she never had eggs.
More of your dishonesty.
Faith without right action is dead. The not of works is about not having to get circumcised.
You were shown many scriptures about God doing things for Abraham BECAUSE ABRAHAM OBEYED.
You just don't like God's Word. You prefer the false denomination that you were forced into as a child or chose when you could because it tickled your ears.
Faith without obedience is dead.
You don't know the scriptures, and it is as if you never even read the Bible except have false teachers talking points.
The Jews were saved by the purification works and the law was not based on faith.
You are cuckoo because you say we aren't to have faith in Jesus!
You preach against Jesus who says plainly to have faith in him.
You wish for me to be muted?
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scripture is clear “no children” and “barren“
Now if you can show that it was because it was some other biological/psychological reason please do...
it remains that it was necessary for Divine intervention for her to have descendants and thus ISRAEL was BY PROMISE not natural conception...
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indeed...you are correct...we are to have fruits...our works should however be OF HIM and not man’s tradition...so less of what church tradition demands but more of what is in scripture...
we are even to be circumscized...just not the traditional body part
But being circumscized traditionally doesn’t SAVE one...else what would woman do?
but he believed first is why he obeyed...
just show me were it says Abraham was saved by his works...
yup...obedience keeps faith alive as it brings results ya dig?
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actually jews were saved because Moses interceded for them that time when Yah wanted to kill them all...haha
I referred to a text in Revelatiions that states the need to have the faith OF Yahushua...
so which faith is that? Buddhist? Muslim? voo doo? Catholic? Eastern Orthodoxy? Protestant?
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You spoke wrong when you went against all women; and when I gave you scripture where a man was silenced for a while because he didn’t believe what God had planned, you said this filthy stuff:
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Being barren doesn't mean the woman never had eggs.
There is no more command from God to get circumcised in the flesh.
Women had to make sure their male offspring were circumcised in the flesh!
The Bible says faith and right action go together and dead if ever apart.
He was saved by obedience and faith.
James 2:22 You see that his faith and his actions were working together, and his faith was made complete by what he did.
No one is saved without faith and obedience. Teaching that we only have to have faith is teaching a false doctrine.
None of them who went with Moses in the desert from 20 years and up could go to the promise land, and they DIED in the desert because they did not obey.
Numbers 14:29 In this wilderness your bodies will fall--every one of you twenty years old or more who was counted in the census and who has grumbled against me.
Numbers 14:22 not one of those who saw my glory and the signs I performed in Egypt and in the wilderness but who disobeyed me and tested me ten times--
23 not one of them will ever see the land I promised on oath to their ancestors. No one who has treated me with contempt will ever see it.
24 But because my servant Caleb has a different spirit and follows me wholeheartedly, I will bring him into the land he went to, and his descendants will inherit it.
We have to have faith in Jesus.
Oh lighten up...even He said “Woman...”
face it annoyance is part of your charm...I am quite sure men become tiresome to women too...
I didnt speak against all woman just ones like Sarah that denied she laughed to the Almighty One Himself...He said “yes you did”...BUSTED!...like Eve...
and Rachel her idols...
You actually had a clever response to me back at the time...but NOOOO...hold a grudge how long and come at me now again...lol...See? Pure charm...I tellz ya...
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I was trying to be a friend to you and see what you did.
in this case it was because Sarah was beyond child bearing age...so again is there another bilogical or psychological reason Sarah was barren please show finally...
or was it because she was grudge bearing stubborn cantankerous not listening and mouthy?
Until you show otherwise then it remains DIVINE INTERVENTION provided the egg for Abraham's seed and thus it was NEVER by human descent alone but by miracle
circumcised of heart is the key...inner jew Paul called it
no you silly girl...I was speaking on circumscision was NEVER salvific or else how would woman be saved as they were NOT cut...
charming arent you more and more charming...how can you miss that I keep repeating it is exactly faith first and then obedience...as obedience strengthens that first love...
you are indeed daft...I keep saying it was by faith first and then he obeyed...NOT by works...by FAITH ABRAHAM etc
“yup obedience keeps faith alive as it brings works...ya dig...”
and that is how you respond? Are you even reading or just yammering your fingers...lol
NOT EVEN MOSES MADE IT AND HE HAD FAITH...but did NOT OBEY...
I was referring to the fact that Yah was so fed up with Israel for their not listening and being stubborn making it all about herself and going on and on about nothing He said finally was about to KILL HIS BRIDE...you know kinda yelling “WOMAN!!!!”...but Moses saved them by reminding Him that well...da neighbors were watching...
yes...promises and covenants and temples are all conditional...
and if the conditions are not met the contract is annulled...Israel or what was left...da jews...actually finally killed their husband so death did part them...no more covenant NO MORE HUSBAND to grant mercy...HE DIED
I was speaking on the text in revelations...Here are they that keep the commandments of Yah and have the faith OF Yahushua...
sure have faith IN Him...but doing as He did...following Him as He lived...loving JUST AS He loved...is having a walk OF faith like Him...His faith was not Buddhist or Muslim or Shinto or Catholic or Protestant...
what was His faith?
Obedient to His Father’s will which was what? Keep the Law...not just 9/10ths either...