Who Here Chose To Be Heterosexual?

[Delmar]

Actually I would genuinely like to read how some perhaps more fundamentalist Christians explain their own sexual preference if it is not in fact genetic. I think that the truth is that some folks will tend to confuse what they are taught to believe, like religion, with what simply happens naturally anyway. IOW they learn to think that they learnt their sexuality too because kids are simply expected to learn all things like they learn to read or their religious beliefs.

I did not ever say that being straight is not genetic. I think Guy explained it pretty well...

Being heterosexual is the natural state of humanity. Homo's are created through perversion. I didn't chose to be heterosexual, I just am. It does not follow then that homosexuality is not a choice either. And if it weren't a choice, it doesnt follow then that it is right.

The issue I have is making the leap to say that if straight people are "born that way" then Homosexuals must be born that way as well.

 

[Delmar]

You're certainly right about that. I'd just ask that you consider the kinds of people you're agreeing with. History doesn't really look on 'em kindly...

It is true that more of the people writing the History books today, are writing more from your point of view. That will not always be the case.

 

[Delmar]

Eh? The OP is a question for starters so why on earth would I think anybody would be 'fascinated' by my own claim to have no control over attraction? I'm interested in what other people have to say on the subject so if that counts as an *agenda* then hey ho. By that logic you'd have to bunch in a whole load of other threads with the temerity to have a question in the title....

lain:

So, in your own words, what was your reason for starting this thread?

 

[resurrected]

I'm guessing he thought there weren't enough homo threads :idunno:

 

[Granite]

It is true that more of the people writing the History books today, are writing more from your point of view. That will not always be the case.

Bigotry in any form never holds up well. Never. Revisionists can attempt to rewrite history all they like but the truth always persists. Opponents of gay civil rights are on the wrong side of history--always have been, always will be. At best, your position will be considered an embarrassment by future generations.

 

[resurrected]

Bigotry in any form never holds up well.

:think: Are you bigoted against pedophiles?

 

[xAvarice]

:think: Are you bigoted against pedophiles?

You can't apply bigotry to paeophiles because it's not irrational... myself, I don't actually hate paedophiles, I try to keep them out of my mind as much as possible to be frank about it.

Investigate and keep them in jail away from kids, I'm not wasting my emotions on them.

 

[resurrected]

You can't apply bigotry to paeophiles because it's not irrational...

I feel the same way about my "bigotry" against homosexuality. :idunno:

 

[PureX]

I'm not sure I understand why people are getting upset by the question.

Oh, I think it's very easy to understand it.

I suppose there are only two possible answers...and I suspect that both are applicable. First, some people may well be born with a same sex attraction. Second, some people may, for various psychological reasons along a range, choose or through trauma have their orientation altered from the norm.

I've never seen this as a meaningful line in the sand. I may be born with any number of impulses. But I am responsible, morally, for the choices I make in relation to them.

But your impulses are not setting you up for a lifetime of religious and social abuse. And worse then that, the possibility of never being able to share your life with someone you love.

 

[alwight]

Actually I would genuinely like to read how some perhaps more fundamentalist Christians explain their own sexual preference if it is not in fact genetic. I think that the truth is that some folks will tend to confuse what they are taught to believe, like religion, with what simply happens naturally anyway. IOW they learn to think that they learnt their sexuality too because kids are simply expected to learn all things like they learn to read or their religious beliefs.

I did not ever say that being straight is not genetic. I think Guy explained it pretty well...

Being heterosexual is the natural state of humanity. Homo's are created through perversion. I didn't chose to be heterosexual, I just am. It does not follow then that homosexuality is not a choice either. And if it weren't a choice, it doesnt follow then that it is right.

The issue I have is making the leap to say that if straight people are "born that way" then Homosexuals must be born that way as well.

I really don’t see why any possible genetic human mental trait would somehow be impossible to exist in a human of either physical gender.

Sexual orientation, although not physical, is still a human trait which is to my mind clearly genetic but is also something, assuming that most gay people are indeed reasonably honest people, that can often be independent of the physical gender.

Sorry but I just don’t buy what is probably no more than a religious agenda of convenience imo that some people are somehow able to or are motivated enough to "sin" to then somehow “switch sides”.

But why exactly is homosexuality so wrong? It’s only wrong apparently because the Bible says so it seems, but yet the Bible has no problem with slavery being a sin or an abomination only whatever people do in bed together, eating shellfish or mixed weave cloth.
Apparently the sole purpose of homosexuality, according to fundamentalists anyway, is simply to sin and Christian fundamentalists would of course never allow Biblical scripture to be seen as anything other than the literal truth come hell or high water perhaps (to coin a phrase), or reality.

 

[genuineoriginal]

But why exactly is homosexuality so wrong?

Why exactly is beastiality so wrong? If you mate with enough mares, you might sire a centaur. Right? If it was good enough for Caligula, it is good enough for anyone.

 

[Granite]

Why exactly is beastiality so wrong? If you mate with enough mares, you might sire a centaur. Right? If it was good enough for Caligula, it is good enough for anyone.

:yawn:

This pathetic excuse for a counterargument is getting more and more asinine the more you guys use it.

 

[Delmar]

I really don’t see.

True.

 

[Tambora]

:thumb:

I would make this my POTD if I was still a subscriber. :first:

It seems some people are more predisposed to certain sins than others. It matters not what we desire to do but what we actually do. It's also important to realise that our identity is in Christ and not our sinful desires.

If someone grows up and realises that they have homosexual feelings which they didn't choose, it is still their choice whether or not they embrace it. Once one calls themself a homosexual then they assume the identity of their sin and act upon those desires.

the bottom line is that it matters not what one feels but what one does in response to those feelings. Call upon God or give in to them?

Thank you.
And I agree.

 

[Delmar]

Bigotry in any form never holds up well. Never. Revisionists can attempt to rewrite history all they like but the truth always persists. Opponents of gay civil rights are on the wrong side of history--always have been, always will be. At best, your position will be considered an embarrassment by future generations.

I am well aware that I will never convince you that discerning evil as evil is not bigotry. It will however will hold up to the scrutiny of He who will write Histories final chapter!

 

[Granite]

I am well aware that I will never convince you that discerning evil as evil is not bigotry. It will however will hold up to the scrutiny of He who will write Histories final chapter!

Every single justification of this bigotry has been heard before, has been condemned, and has failed. Might as well embrace the reality instead of running from it.

 

[genuineoriginal]

Every single justification of this bigotry has been heard before, has been condemned, and has failed. Might as well embrace the reality instead of running from it.

So, anyone that thinks beastiality is wrong is a bigot that is running away from reality?

 

[Delmar]

Every single justification of this bigotry has been heard before, has been condemned, and has failed. Might as well embrace the reality instead of running from it.

So you say. Sadly you will convince many.

 

[Delmar]

So, anyone that thinks beastiality is wrong is a bigot that is running away from reality?

No, no, no! Granite will not agree with that statement until the culture embraces it. Then and only then, it will have always been true.

 

[Granite]

So you say. Sadly you will convince many.

:chuckle:

Del, I doubt I've ever convinced many TOLers of anything (other than confirming aspects of my personality both real and imagined). And the point is, I don't need to. Society is convincing itself (and the process of progress remains ongoing). Prejudice, hate, and fear die a slow death and wither eventually on the vine. That much is certain. It's always been this way. Always.