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Who Here Chose To Be Heterosexual?
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alwight
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Emotions? That was to do with Mr Spock wasn't it, or the lack of them? :idunno:
My point was that you seem to gladly equate nefarious actions that do actual harm to others, like murder, injury or theft with what gay people choose to do in bed together. What actual harm is done by consensual gay sex that could not equally be true of consensual straight sex or perhaps mutual or solo masturbation?
Mechanically body parts do exist for specific purposes but just because they may not always quite match up with what is going on in the individual mind is clearly no reason to vilify anyone afaic.
alwight
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Nevertheless, perhaps more in simpler times but still do now, people did/do just about anything if it gains some money or fame, perhaps it began as a bet rather than as a perversion?
Monsieur Mangetout ("Mister Eats All").
You don’t actually justify your belief that they actually are doing anything intrinsically wrong I notice, only that you personally don’t approve, perhaps only because you believe your God doesn’t approve. Secularists however will tend to see things in rather more factual and pragmatic ways. People typically tend not to do what they don’t want to do, unless of course there seems to be a reward in it afterwards.
What then do you think is the pay-off for those involved in homosexual sex if it isn’t the sex itself?
Good for you then, I’ll simply assume that all was well and functioning properly when the big moment finally arrived.
What actual harm per se does gay sex do, please don’t try to muddy the waters with any nefarious deeds by some that can probably equally be applied to some heterosexuals too? I’d agree that certain lifestyles are not always conducive to the common good, and please try to see my pov as being without any supposed Godly absolute morality only a human relative version.
Why should anyone simply say “no” if there seems to be something to gain?
Should they really desist simply because of what you and what you think your God’s morality doesn’t approve of, despite that they actually see no harm and actually like doing it?
Think about it Lon why exactly do homosexuals seem to want to have their kind of sex just as much as heterosexuals do even those who believe in a god? Is it really just to be perverse?
They are aliens ... for all we know they could be hatched ... or grown on trees.
Or grow out of their heads...I hear that happens.
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alwight
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Please don't alter my posts to suit your homophobic conclusions, make your own bigoted statements without attributing them to me. :AMR:
alwight
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Then kindly don't misquote me, it isn't honest.
lain:Then kindly don't misquote me, it isn't honest.
seemed pretty clear what I'd changed :idunno:
regardless, do you understand the point I was making?
alwight
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Make your own statement under whichever username you are currently using and then I may like to respond.
That was my point, the words in red.
What do emotions have to do with what something was created for?
See alwight's post about Pon farr.
Actually Spock is half human [human mother/Vulcan father] and thus does experience emotions to a degree.
Then there is this:
Yes he is a Vulcan, and no they do not reproduce without it.
Isn't it sad that I'm not a Trekkie, but I am enough of a nerd to know these things because of the people I hang out with and the sites I frequent. However, I was going to have to look up how to spell "Pon farr," if alwight hadn't posted it.
alwight
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Seems to me that we are primarily people and persons first who exist in the body we happen to have, I don't see that we are compelled to be slaves to the bodies we do have. Our bodies are there to serve "persons" afaic, as best it can. I realise that this probably isn't at all what Darwinian evolution is all about, which is where I'm coming from here, but as a person with emotions myself, that is where my priorities lie not simply unemotional evolution by natural selection, since Darwinian evolution is about whole species not we expendable individuals.
If the person inside does not always seem consistent to all the functions of their particular body then afaic it's the person who is important not their body. If the person who exists in an otherwise male body happens to be attracted to males sexually then so be it, good luck to them, notwithstanding the actual existence and genuine displeasure of any real god(s) of course.
Lon
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No imagination? You don't need half of one to see all kinds of horrible pay-offs, let alone see anything remotely loving. I see it as entirely self-indulgent anti-social behavior without the need for my religious convictions upfront. That God happens to call this on the carpet, then, would be for those noble and obvious reasons you seem incapable of grasping. If you too, are idiocycretic, then I our conversation is over because, frankly, you'd be incapable of seeing the whole point of this conversation.
alwight
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Can you really not imagine that two gay people might actually love each other? If so then I don't think that my own imagination is the problem here.
If it is self-indulgence, as you seem to imagine it is, then what would be that perceived pleasure being indulged in if not the human relationship, sex and perhaps a lifestyle? Is it just to annoy the religious perhaps?
Not really something that I at least can imagine any reasonable person would want to be doing, not on a full time basis anyway.
I don't think the whole point of this conversation is actually only whatever you decide it is Lon, God presumably.
That which is "noble" is afaic a subjective human opinion and not something that you perhaps imagine your God thinks it is.
Since I don't know what "idiocycretic" means I can't decide either way how capable I am at continuing this conversation.:liberals:
genuineoriginal
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There is no love there.
Their actions prove they hate themselves and each other.
Leviticus 19:17 17 Thou shalt not hate thy brother in thine heart: thou shalt in any wise rebuke thy neighbour, and not suffer sin upon him. |
alwight
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What actions specifically? Kissing perhaps?
Maybe you simply hate the very idea that two gay people could actually love each other? Perhaps it's you who hates?
If in fact they did sincerely love each, despite what you baldly assert, then that would probably make you into nothing but an unimaginative hate filled homophobic bigot, who knows nothing about love. So just how sure are you that gays simply hating each other and themselves is a fact, and what is your evidence of this?
Maybe otoh it's your imagination that is just a bit lacking if most of your thinking is derived from some ancient scripture?
Lon
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No, else they'd not do this to each other. /story
Yup, the proof is in the pudding here and as I said, our conversation is over. You have no moral absolutes (no God= no morality). There is no reason for us to abstain from anything if there is no God as you assume.
*Read the headlines, you retarded atheist idiots (present company may be excluded for now), we (you) reap what you sow :doh:
Let it be known, I *tried* to exclude you from the above comment, I cannot help you walking into it all on your own. I suppose it was a setup...
...and there ya go, both feet wet now :doh: We Christians would laugh if it wasn't so sad. There is frankly nothing to laugh about but I would vote for shock therapy to be covered under insurance once again... It is a desperation attempt/you need Jesus. Badly.
"Be sure your sins will find you out..."
Idiosyncratic? I try and use my own brain when someone uses a word I don't get. I can, in fact, look words up and don't mind mispelling. Let's not get stupid and petty, shall we?
Please come back when you have better prepared to debate this topic with actual Christians. You are wasting our time. Grow up.
The Holy Bible is not just "some ancient scripture!" and while you do not need to believe in it to participate at TOL you do need to realize that this is a Christian forum. You will only be given a certain amount of latitude to trash talk people for trusting the Word of God.