WHICH GENTILES ARE GRAFTED INTO THE OLIVE TREE

[God's Truth]

What that has to do with whether or not Christ died for their sins ? She'd His Blood for them?

Jesus shed his blood for the sins of the world. In order to have that grace you must repent of your sins and have faith that HIS BLOOD WASHES YOU.

You can fight it until your blue in the face, but the truth will never change.

 

[beloved57]

Jesus shed his blood for the sins of the world. In order to have that grace you must repent of your sins and have faith that HIS BLOOD WASHES YOU.

You can fight it until your blue in the face, but the truth will never change.

Ok then when He shed His blood did that wash away the sins of those He shed His blood for?

 

[clefty]

Double post

 

[clefty]

So what that it means the Sabbath will still be kept?

it confirms Heb 4:9 that a sabbatismos remains for His people which you remove yourself from with your “EVERY day is Holy eat whatever”

Does it mean it is good to keep it?

when is something made perpetually Holy not good?

Or does it mean that the Jews who reject Jesus will still be locking the gates to the city because they still have no understanding?

you miss how during a months/years long siege the gates would not be closed ONLY on the Sabbath...

Verse 21 “For then there will be...” is understood as end time destruction as “no flesh would be saved”

Winter times will still occur as well as Sabbath times...

That is bizarre talk. No such thing as wrong faith and wrong obedience.

no? What about Buddhism or Islam or Catholic...all ok by you?

Your faith in a god who changes is wrong as is your obedience to “every day is Holy eat whatever”

It is bizarre to think IMMUTABLE ETERNAL PERFECT Law needs changing...

The son only does what his Father wants him to do.

so now you blame the Father for changing His mind and instructing His Son to go contrary what He wanted prior?

Dividing His own kingdom between those that thought they did vs those that claimed “not for me”

That is more bizarre talk from you.
The purification works which included the sacrificing of animals was a shadow of Jesus, but then you think Jesus should not have fulfilled that is just too ignorant.


There is nothing there to reason with it is all illogical ramblings.

you started it.

Your claims a NEW LAW was even possible means that a NEW LAW could have been established whenever and prevent a LOT of pain and suffering and murder and death...

Just think if He could change His Law WHY DID HE NOT do so sooner to SAVE His Son?

Just change the Law “the wages of sin is death” to “the wages of sin is a balloon drop with some cake and a pony”?

Why punish someone for a rule that is going to change anyway?

And if one law changes why not another? And so on...Instead of 10 maybe just 8 or 7...hmmmm

Even Jews are planning that noahide thingy for us...you stand with THEM their “only 7 laws for goyim”...no surprise

You are worse than atheists who claim it is merely nature doing its thing when billions are killed in a survival of the fittest...

Your faith is in another god fickle and random...your obedience only 9/10 and not what He asked for...another gospel another christ

 

[clefty]

You sound like a wannabe zealous Jew that made Peter afraid and act out of line with the gospel---(except the Jews would have disqualified you every week for defiling the Sabbath and your defiling your food).

I affirmed you understood it is a matter of the heart...circumcised heart as even all of Israel was accused of being uncircumcised in heart...Stephen accused the Pharisees of the same...

Paul was clear the heart is to be circumcised submitted and obedient to Him His Ways...called it the “inner jew” also known as “Christ Mind” you know think like Him act like Him...behave like Him...lifestyle like Him

And for the affirmation...you attempt to slander me...

 

[JudgeRightly]

Ok then when He shed His blood did that wash away the sins of those He shed His blood for?

Jesus' blood washes away the sins of those who are in Him.

 

[clefty]

You call the gospel ‘vomit’.

nope...your “not about the shadows” idolatry...vomit comes from inside...and that came out of you...not scripture...scripture says shadows remain of good things still to come...ask Paul...since you think he is up there to pray to...and not dead asleep undisturbed resting until the good things still to come...

They didn’t even see Paul until he went to Jerusalem.

is why it was about rumors and slander and false witness the believing still zealous for the Law Jews were hearing about Paul his teaching and that is WHY he was asked to show himself faithful

Did Paul preach circumcision or not? What would happen if he did?

he took the vow...means what?...had Timothy circumcised...

You are the one doing that.

It is a sin to lie and it is hated by me.

no no you believe the OT law was done away with ... there is a NEW LAW...is why you LIE so much...must be ok in the new law...since the old law was destroyed...you claim

“It is a sin to lie and hated by me”...LOL...yup all about you...nothing there about Him His ways which you claim is changed by a NEW LAW

Paul was accused of saying Jesus is raised from the dead and is the way to justify, and that the law of Moses couldn’t.

yup your NEW LAW must allow you to LIE...read chapter 23 Paul does not even mention Jesus but concerning the hope and resurrection of the dead...NOTHING there about the law of Moses couldnt justify...you ADD that

In fact Paul gets slapped for claiming he lived in all good conscience before Yah...

That was the matter they were there to hear about...how dare he presume he was innocent

Remember? Paul was being accused of teaching EXACTLY WHAT YOU CLAIM “NEW LAW everybody!!! every day holy eat whatever” and THEY COULD NOT PROVE IT...because HE DID NOT TEACH THAT

They could have submitted his letters as evidence he taught NEW LAW as you claim...but THEY DID NOT because HE DID NOT write that in his epistles...

When Paul saw that there were Pharisees and Sadducees, he knew how he could get the Pharisees on his side.

Acts 23: 8 For the Sadducees say that there is no resurrection, neither angel, nor spirit: but the Pharisees confess both.

NOTHING there about Jesus or Moses couldnt justify with the old Law you ADD that

You’re too ignorant to see that it is a minus to say you are like a Sadducee.

it is never a minus to stick to scriptures and not follow the world after its ways of worship...

There are angels and spirits.

NONE of them former humans...

some good and 1/3 not...some follow Him obey Him...1/3 claim (like you) “NOT FOR ME” but changed times and law...made new ones...

You keep going against God.

Fruits will tell...more LIKE His...or more like a NEW fruit...

You are so without understanding. One had to obey the old law to be justified, as justified as one could be---but not to the point that Jesus justifies us.

Israel including foreigners NOT of Jacob was SAVED first and then given the Law...they obeyed BECAUSE they believed they were His and WANTED to because of what He did for them...

Galatians 3:25

But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

Yup...we are graduated with His LAW in our ‘inner jew” minds and circumcised hearts...except you...you think you can change what the tutor taught and go contrary claiming “NEW LAW”

You keep trying to be justified by the old teaching tool.

ok...your reprobate mind blinds you to EVERY TIME I have explained this...SAVED we do what He asks because He SAVED us...NOT we DO in order to be SAVED

FAITH then WORKS...WORKS befitting repentance...TRUST and OBEY...follow Him into the desert THEN receive the Law

You just return to your own vomit and wish to keep wallowing

I guess you really do have NOTHING new to teach about your reprobate indolent rebellion against Him His Way...

I am trying to show you, but you stumble on the Rock.

That Rock had 40 days that is 5 weekends to show or even hint at your NEW LAW “every day Holy...eat whatever” and still NOTHING...

When the Law was introduced to them at Sinai it was a big deal huge production bangs and whistles...everybody heard and had a CLEAR understanding...written in STONE

And here you want ALL that GONE...ok just ONE thing the Sabbath...and WITHOUT even a whisper?

NOT ONE HINT of a change or NEW demonstrated or hinted

And you persist that even His followers taught change or NEW and did NOT follow His Way...

You are NOT in accordance to the Rock..the foundation stone ALREADY laid but wish instead to lay a NEW one...

Your works of wood hay and straw will be burnt...I pray you are saved...

repentance and works befitting it remain...works He prepared before...not your own

 

[clefty]

Did they repent of their sins?

Check the fruit...

ye shall know them by their fruit...

are they works befitting repentance more LIKE Him His ways and Works He prepared for us to do...

or more like fruit they did previous being saved returning to their vomit or to wallowing in counterfeit fruit they make up themselves claiming a New Law another way another gospel another christ...

I mean you were grafted INTO it...a branch does NOT change the fruit of the trunk or root...figs from figs olives from olives and NOT your NEW olives from fig and NEW figs from OLD grape vine...

John said if you claim you abide in Him you must live like Him...

I mean WWJD? Right?

 

[God's Truth]

Did Christ blood wash away their sins or not?

To have Jesus wash away your sins, is the same as circumcising you in the heart, and it only happens after you circumcise your own heart first and that is done by removing the hard outer part of your heart, and that is done by humbling yourself, and then you putting off sin in your life that is done by repenting of your sins and promise not to do them anymore.
That is Jesus washing you by the word that you are obeying, and he circumcises you by taking all those sins away and not holding them against you anymore.

 

[God's Truth]

Check the fruit...

ye shall know them by their fruit...

are they works befitting repentance more LIKE Him His ways and Works He prepared for us to do...

or more like fruit they did previous being saved returning to their vomit or to wallowing in counterfeit fruit they make up themselves claiming a New Law another way another gospel another christ...

I mean you were grafted INTO it...a branch does NOT change the fruit of the trunk or root...figs from figs olives from olives and NOT your NEW olives from fig and NEW figs from OLD grape vine...

I was explaining to beloved57 how to get in.

 

[clefty]

I was explaining to beloved57 how to get in.

Yes i know

I know what motivates you and yours...

NOT getting to know Him...His ways...to Love AS He did...to represent Him and bring Him and His ways to others

to learn to live this life here and now...to please Him

you just wanna “get in”...

do what you think is right and LORD! LORD! the whole thing

receive the PROMISE without accepting the Law which gives your right to it...

Yup you show how to GET IN but don’t go in yourself...

I was teaching how you know you ARE in and others too...

John says “claim to abide in Him you live as He did”...just as...

 

[clefty]

To have Jesus wash away your sins, is the same as circumcising you in the heart, and it only happens after you circumcise your own heart first and that is done by removing the hard outer part of your heart, and that is done by humbling yourself, and then you putting off sin in your life that is done by repenting of your sins and promise not to do them anymore.
That is Jesus washing you by the word that you are obeying, and he circumcises you by taking all those sins away and not holding them against you anymore.

And for you repentance is NOT:

CLAIMING A NEW LIFESTYLE TO MATCH HIS LAW

BUT CLAIMING A NEW LAW TO MATCH YOUR LIFESTYLE

 

[God's Truth]

nope...your “not about the shadows” idolatry...vomit comes from inside...and that came out of you...not scripture...scripture says shadows remain of good things still to come...ask Paul...since you think he is up there to pray to...and not dead asleep undisturbed resting until the good things still to come...

You don't use the scriptures correctly.

The returning to vomit is about you saying you give up sin, and do give it up for a bit, and then go back to doing the sin again.

The idolizing is what you do with shadows.

You idolize shadow and the Sabbath.

is why it was about rumors and slander and false witness the believing still zealous for the Law Jews were hearing about Paul his teaching and that is WHY he was asked to show himself faithful

he took the vow...means what?..

They were zealous of the law and causing trouble by thinking the Gentiles had to do the purification works of the law as given to Moses.

.had Timothy circumcised...

That was only so that Timothy could go with him around the Jews to preach how to get saved.

no no you believe the OT law was done away with ... there is a NEW LAW...is why you LIE so much...must be ok in the new law...since the old law was destroyed...you claim

“It is a sin to lie and hated by me”...LOL...yup all about you...nothing there about Him His ways which you claim is changed by a NEW LAW

You called me a liar and you were corrected.

yup your NEW LAW must allow you to LIE...read chapter 23 Paul does not even mention Jesus but concerning the hope and resurrection of the dead...NOTHING there about the law of Moses couldnt justify...you ADD that

I gave you the scriptures.

Acts 13:39 Through him everyone who believes is set free from every sin, a justification you were not able to obtain under the law of Moses.

NOTHING there about Jesus or Moses couldnt justify with the old Law you ADD that

You mean Moses.

Acts 13:39 Through him everyone who believes is set free from every sin, a justification you were not able to obtain under the law of Moses.

 

[clefty]

You don't use the scriptures correctly.

The returning to vomit is about you saying you give up sin, and do give it up for a bit, and then go back to doing the sin again.

2 Peter 2:21 It would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness than to have known it and then to turn away from the holy commandment passed on to them.22Of them the proverbs are true:“A dog returns to its vomit,”and,“A sow that is washed goes back to her wallowing in the mud.”

Which holy commandment do you turn away from? The seventh day Sabbath one...

what came out of you? a new "every day is Holy eat whatever" law

what do you wallow in...the same lifestyle you had before you were saved...

The idolizing is what you do with shadows.

You idolize shadow and the Sabbath.

nope...just do what pleases Him...and what Paul says are still pointing to good things to come...

They were zealous of the law and causing trouble by thinking the Gentiles had to do the purification works of the law as given to Moses.

who? the myraids of believing Jews who were zealous for the Law still?

or the Judaizers from Jerusalem coming with NEW LAW...like you...

circumcision was NEVER required to be in fellowship with Israel when it was the ekklesia in the wilderness...Sabbath proves it...given to strangers...didn't demand they be circumcised...

circumcision was also NEVER to be saved...or else how would woman be saved? is why we do not accept infant baptism as valid...parents do it...NOT chosen by the infant...

but LIKE YOU these Jews from Jerusalem came up with NEW LAW

That was only so that Timothy could go with him around the Jews to preach how to get saved.

yup profited nothing to be saved and yet done anyway...

You called me a liar and you were corrected.

make a New Law and the old is changed...destroyed even...

I gave you the scriptures.

Acts 13:39 Through him everyone who believes is set free from every sin, a justification you were not able to obtain under the law of Moses.



You mean Moses.

Acts 13:39 Through him everyone who believes is set free from every sin, a justification you were not able to obtain under the law of Moses.

And so?

We are discussing Paul before the Sanhedrin in chapter 23 when the Pharisees saw no evil in Paul...

He said "I stand on trial because of the hope of the resurrection of the dead" NOTHING there about Moses or Yahushua by name

or justification failed by the Law...which it was NEVER designed to do as every Jew there knew...

imagine if Paul did preach what you claim "the Sabbath is done away with every day is holy and we can finally eat swine"

you think Roman guards could spare him? LOL


so does this NEW LAW you claim allow you to lie? seems like it...you keep doing it

 

[God's Truth]

And for you repentance is NOT:

CLAIMING A NEW LIFESTYLE TO MATCH HIS LAW

BUT CLAIMING A NEW LAW TO MATCH YOUR LIFESTYLE

You have a fake Sabbath day observance and a fake clean food dietary law.

You have to go by what God says and not make it up.

 

[beloved57]

To have Jesus wash away your sins, is the same as circumcising you in the heart, and it only happens after you circumcise your own heart first and that is done by removing the hard outer part of your heart, and that is done by humbling yourself, and then you putting off sin in your life that is done by repenting of your sins and promise not to do them anymore.
That is Jesus washing you by the word that you are obeying, and he circumcises you by taking all those sins away and not holding them against you anymore.

Hogwash. When Christ died and she'd His Blood, for the ones He shed it for it washed them from their sins. Rev 1:5

⁵ And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in

Heb 1:3

³ Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:

They don't do anything to have their sins washed away, Christ blood did it alone!

 

[God's Truth]

2 Peter 2:21 It would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness than to have known it and then to turn away from the holy commandment passed on to them.22Of them the proverbs are true:“A dog returns to its vomit,”and,“A sow that is washed goes back to her wallowing in the mud.”

Which holy commandment do you turn away from? The seventh day Sabbath one...

what came out of you? a new "every day is Holy eat whatever" law

what do you wallow in...the same lifestyle you had before you were saved...

You use scripture like Satan did in the desert.

nope...just do what pleases Him...and what Paul says are still pointing to good things to come...

You idolize the Sabbath day and the dietary law but admit you don’t keep it right.

You are disqualified from preaching it now, according to the Bible.

Why don’t you obey what the Bible says?

who? the myraids of believing Jews who were zealous for the Law still?

or the Judaizers from Jerusalem coming with NEW LAW...like you...

No such thing as Judaziers coming with a new law.

You have no understanding of scriptures.

circumcision was NEVER required to be in fellowship with Israel when it was the ekklesia in the wilderness...Sabbath proves it...given to strangers...didn't demand they be circumcised...

Why do you think God was going to kill Moses?

circumcision was also NEVER to be saved...or else how would woman be saved? is why we do not accept infant baptism as valid...parents do it...NOT chosen by the infant...

And you want to be a teacher.

but LIKE YOU these Jews from Jerusalem came up with NEW LAW

You just make up things and speak untruths.

yup profited nothing to be saved and yet done anyway...

Timothy did it so he could help save Jews.


Circumcision of the flesh was one of the rules that made a man a son of God, and the rest of the purification works had to be done too.

What doesn’t help in any way anymore is circumcision of the flesh and the dietary law and the observance of Sabbath days.

Acts 13:39 Through him everyone who believes is set free from every sin, a justification you were not able to obtain under the law of Moses.

And so?

You lied and said Paul didn’t say it.

He said "I stand on trial because of the hope of the resurrection of the dead" NOTHING there about Moses or Yahushua by name

or justification failed by the Law...which it was NEVER designed to do as every Jew there knew...

The old law purification works had to be done to keep the people clean and SANTIFIED and Justified.

imagine if Paul did preach what you claim "the Sabbath is done away with every day is holy and we can finally eat swine"

you think Roman guards could spare him? LOL

The Roman guards didn’t practice the Jewish laws.

The Romans protected Paul.

 

[God's Truth]

Hogwash. When Christ died and she'd His Blood, for the ones He shed it for it washed them from their sins. Rev 1:5

⁵ And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in

Heb 1:3

³ Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express image of his person, and upholding all things by the word of his power, when he had by himself purged our sins, sat down on the right hand of the Majesty on high:

They don't do anything to have their sins washed away, Christ blood did it alone!

That is why I explained to you first that the disciples who were alive and with Jesus when he walked the earth had repented of their sins and Jesus told them to keep obeying and that he would give them the Holy Spirit.

The disciples who were with Jesus had repented of their sins and lived their lives obeying him.

John 8:31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;

When Jesus shed his blood on the cross, it allowed for everyone to be able to get eternal life, but they cannot access that grace until they repent of their sins and have faith that his shed blood on the cross washes their sins away.

Acts 5:32 And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.

Romans 5:2 By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.


NO ONE can ENTER that GRACE until they have FAITH that Jesus' SHED BLOOD ON THE CROSS WASHES the SINS away that they REPENT OF DOING.

 

[beloved57]

That is why I explained to you first that the disciples who were alive and with Jesus when he walked the earth had repented of their sins and Jesus told them to keep obeying and that he would give them the Holy Spirit.

John 8:31 Then said Jesus to those Jews which believed on him, If ye continue in my word, then are ye my disciples indeed;

When Jesus shed his blood on the cross, it allowed for everyone to be able to get eternal life, but they cannot access that grace until they repent of their sins and have faith that his shed blood on the cross washes their sins away.

Acts 5:32 And we are his witnesses of these things; and so is also the Holy Ghost, whom God hath given to them that obey him.

Romans 5:2 By whom also we have access by faith into this grace wherein we stand, and rejoice in hope of the glory of God.


NO ONE can ENTER that GRACE until they have FAITH that Jesus' SHED BLOOD ON THE CROSS WASHES the SINS away that they REPENT OF DOING.

More invalid post. When Christ she'd His Blood it washed them He shed it for from their sins. They did nothing, Christ gets all the credit!

 

[clefty]

You use scripture like Satan did in the desert.

no need to get sore that you are shown you are turning away from the holy commandment with your "every day is Holy"

You idolize the Sabbath day and the dietary law but admit you don’t keep it right.

better to fail keeping His laws needing grace and repentance than PERFECTLY keep your new law of every day is a Sabbath...

so you do all those things EVERY day...your NEW made up Law

You are disqualified from preaching it now, according to the Bible.

I noticed you dropped the whole "smash your ovens down" when I showed you Jews know what can be washed instead...LOL

FONT=Calibri]Why don’t you obey what the Bible says?[/FONT]

even Paul admitted failing and NOT for NEW sins under NEW LAW...but like coveting and doing things he hated...wishing to keep the SPIRITUAL Law with his Christ mind and inner Jew circumcised heart...

FONT=Calibri]No such thing as Judaziers coming with a new law.[/FONT]

you don't even know the "old" Law to know how NEW this demand to be circumcised was...as if an adult male could become an eight day old infant and be circumcised as custom of Moses said...

FONT=Calibri]You have no understanding of scriptures.[/FONT]

is the last resort even Catholics say...LOL tried to keep people from reading it for it...

Why do you think God was going to kill Moses?

because Moses forgot to cut his kid? Has nothing to do with salvation or justification...you really ADD do you not

Hey Muslims cut their kids...are they saved?

And you want to be a teacher.

nope... teachers would know when to stop posting to people like you who do NOT want to learn...

in fact you rebelled against the Tutor and made up NEW LAWS after you graduated...LOL

FONT=Calibri]You just make up things and speak untruths.[/FONT]

it is NOT untrue that these Jews demanded something NOT demanded of from gentiles to fellowship...the issue comes up later...when Peter was sitting with gentiles and Paul reminds him "these man made Jewish laws do NOT justify us"

Timothy did it so he could help save Jews.

and so? circumcise or do not neither matter even in the OT as so many that were circumcised behaved LIKE YOU...uncircumcised of the heart...all of Israel found to be uncircumcised of the heart...prolly for making up NEW LAWS...LOL

Circumcision of the flesh was one of the rules that made a man a son of God, and the rest of the purification works had to be done too.

well more specifically an Israelite...and guess what ? NOW EVEN WOMAN MUST BE CIRCUMCISED...LOL...not sure your heart of stone can be cut though

What doesn’t help in any way anymore is circumcision of the flesh and the dietary law and the observance of Sabbath days.

see you make NEW LAWS up...if any of those STILL POINT TO GOOD THINGS TO COME...TO Him...well they help...

You lied and said Paul didn’t say it.

HE DID NOT IN CHAPTER 23...which is what we are discussing...but you twist and misuse scripture ...

The old law purification works had to be done to keep the people clean and SANTIFIED and Justified.

right they already were justified and clean and thus works of righteousness He gave helped them STAY that way...as His people are pure HOLY set apart a peculiar people and still have a sabbatismos...Heb 4:9

The Roman guards didn’t practice the Jewish laws.

The Romans protected Paul.

you are silly...sad how your reprobate mind blinds you

of course Roman guards protected Paul...some started keeping like Cornelius remember him? LOL

and Paul had to be protected from people like you who claimed Paul taught NEW LAW...well it was NEVER PROVEN...and he escaped those like you who false witnessed about what he taught...something about new law and "Jesus changed the customs Moses delivered"

And yet even at the end of Acts when he was in Rome Paul was able to say:

Acts 28:17 Three days later he called together the local Jewish leaders.When they had assembled, Paul said to them: “My brothers, although I have done nothing against our people or against the customs of our ancestors, I was arrested in Jerusalem and handed over to the Romans."

Now do you suppose Paul could have said this to the Jewish leaders if he taught what you claim "Sabbath is done away with a NEW LAW every day is Holy now...oh and eat swine"...LOL

They had his letter to the Romans too...

Maybe what you teach is NOT in there...but "Does faith anull the Law? CERTAINLY NOT...we establish the Law" Roman 3:31