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Where does the Bible teach that the earth is billions of years old?

Arthur Brain

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You seem to be forgetting A) that how popular an idea, concept, or statement is, has no bearing on it's validity, and B) the source of information has no bearing on it's validity.

​​​​​​In other words...

You're getting to be so good at using logical fallacies that you've started combining them.

I don't know whether to be impressed or saddened.

You shouldn't actually be either but just embarrassed.

Conservapedia is a joke because it starts off with an agenda, hence why I used a fairly neutral subject such as music. That led to Delius and the laughable entry in Conservapedia as opposed to Wiki. Conservapedia's lack of anything resembling salient facts beyond the obvious is just appalling whereas Wiki goes into abject detail. Compare the articles on here.

Conservapedia is a joke, it just is.
 

Arthur Brain

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Strange. It read perfectly clearly to me. He's plainly asking you to justify your assertions about Conservapedia (and mocking your useless attempts at correcting grammar. We have data that are clear. You have no foundation from which to criticize other people's use of the English language :chuckle: ).
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Oh, his gist is clear enough but his torturous use of punctuation and repetition is beyond tedious...I'm hardly the first to have noticed but hey, you chuckle at yourself a bit more. Conservapedia is a joke. It's face palm stuff, it really is. It masquerades as a source of info but barely has even the basics on a range of issues. There's no in depth commentary unless it's on about far right wing politics. The homepage itself is a joke. So, let's compare both wiki and conservapedia articles regarding a brilliant artist, M C Escher:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M._C._Escher

https://www.conservapedia.com/M._C._Escher

Yeeeees, there's the difference. The first is a detailed account, the second is...n't.

But, as is typical among Darwin cheerleaders, all you do is reassert your lame ideas.

No evidence. No reasoning. No logic. Just insults.

Do you like being nothing but noise?

Ironic as ever there Stripe You tell me. You're the one who's sounded like a clanging cymbal on here for years...
 

7djengo7

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By "go [sic] into depth", do you mean "uses more words and takes up more paper space"?
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When you say that "Conservapedia is a joke as a source of information [about Frederick Delius]", do you mean to tell me that (for instance) the following is false?

Frederick Delius (1862 -1934), English composer of German extraction, was set up by his father, a Yorkshire fruit importer, to manage a citrus plantation in Florida.

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What do you imagine you find to be bad about that statement?
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Is everything stated by Wikipedia true?
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Is everything stated by Conservapedia false?
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"YOWM" can be, and is in various places, anything from a "non-specified amount of time" to a "Day" to an "Aeon".

Agreed. But do you know WHY it is such?

I Don't know for sure, what "YOWM" means before the existence of the sun, and neither do you in this case.

Well, yes, we can be sure. You literally just gave the definitions for yom. It means one of those.

Do you know how the meaning is determined for yom throughout the Bible?
 

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The myth of the flat Earth is a modern misconception that European scholars and educated people during the Middle Ages believed the Earth to be flat rather than spherical.
The earliest documentation of a spherical Earth comes from the ancient Greeks (5th century BC). Since the 600s AD, .,,,,,.,and by the Early Middle Ages (700–1500 AD), virtually all scholars maintained the spherical viewpoint.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myth_of_the_flat_Earth
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Wikipedia is wrong.

Name one Christian/Jewish institution anywhere from any point in time that taught that the earth was flat.

You can't, because there aren't any.


* RSR's List of Christian Religious Orders that Taught a Flat Earth: Which of the following Christian authorities and organizations taught the flat Earth?
- Of Catholic religious orders...
(Franciscans, Dominicans, Augustinians, Benedictines, Trappists, Carmelites, etc.)
- Of Protestant denominations...
(Lutherans, Anglicans, Methodists, Presbyterians, Episcopalians, Congregationalists, Church of Christ, Baptists, etc.)
- Of Eastern Christianity...
(Eastern Orthodox, Oriental, Ethiopian, Eastern Catholic, Assyrian)
- Of the Popes of the Roman Catholic Church...
(which among all 266 of them)
- Of the councils...
(Jerusalem, Rome, Ephesus, Carthage, Antioch, Nicea, etc.)
- Of the creeds...
(Apostles, Nicene, Chalcedonian, Athanasian, etc.)
- Of the confessions
(Augsburg, Confession of Faith, Heidelberg, 95 Theses, Canons of Dordt, Westminster, etc.)
- Of the Reformation's universities...
(Universities of Geneva, Jena, Leiden, Dublin, Groningen, Strasbourg, Utrecht, etc.)
- Of the Christian creationist fathers of science:
(Paracelsus d. 1541, Copernicus 1543, Bacon 1626, Kepler 1636, Galilei 1642, Harvey 1657, Pascal 1662, Boyle 1691, Huygens 1695, Newton 1727, Linnaeus 1778, Cuvier 1832, Dalton 1844, Faraday 1867)
- Of the Christian-founded universities of the Middle Ages...
(Oxford, Cambridge, Universities of Paris, Bologna, Rome, Toulouse, Pisa, Orleans, Prague, Salamanca, Florence, Monpellier, Naples, Dublin, Vienna, Heidelberg, Cologne, Barcelona, Basel, Glasgow, Tübingen, Aberdeen, Frankfurt, Copenhagen, Bonaventure, St. Andrews, etc.)
- Of the church's leading historical theologians and authors...
(Justin Martyr d. 165, Athenagros, 190, Clement 216, Tertullian 220, Origen 254, Cyprian 258, Athanasius 373, Basil 379, Gregory 395, Ambrose 397, Chrysostom 407, Jerome 420, Augustine 430, Cyril 444, Boethius 525, Gregory the Great 604, Anselm 1109, Hildegard 1179, Magnus 1280, Francis 1286, Bonaventure 1274, Aquinas 1274, John Duns Scotus 1308, William of Ockham 1347, Wycliffe 1384, Zwingli 1531, Erasmus 1535, Luther 1546, Servetus 1553, Ignatius 1556, Melanchthon 1560, Menno 1561, Calvin 1564, Knox 1572, John Foxe 1587, Arminius 1609, John Milton 1674, Owen 1683, John Bunyan 1688, Whitefield 1770, Wesley 1791, etc.)

Answer: NONE OF THEM.

Affirmation: In September 2020 the above list and the following paragraph were sent to University of California history professor Dr. Jeffrey Russell. On the 23rd he responded to RSR with an affirmation of these details.

If the Bible actually taught a flat Earth, and especially prior to Copernican heliocentrism, one would expect the church to have taught the flat Earth. But the Bible doesn't, and the church never has. Against the truth, millions of atheists, etc., continue to allege that the church has historically taught a flat earth either because those materialists are uneducated or because they are willing to make false accusations. See the links at rsr.org/flat-earth#prof for University of California history professor Dr. Jeffrey Russell's writings Inventing the Flat Earth and The Myth of the Flat Earth. Today though, combining the negative effects of social media with the low-quality science education of our public schools, and we have a global phenomenon whereby, as per above, 10% of the population of France (a secular society) is unsure about a spherical Earth, and remember, according to LiveScience the president of the Flat Earth Society Daniel Shenton is a Darwinist.


 

Trump Gurl

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The different being that the Bible DOES speak about the origin of the earth.

I was just trying to make a point: Just because the Bible does not say something does not mean its not true.

Also, the Bible does not discuss the scientific processes of the origins of the earth. The Bible teaches the spiritual truth that God created the heavens and the earth, that he created man in his own image, and that he set about the long plan of salvation history for man, and that is all that the creation narrative teaches.
 

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I was just trying to make a point: Just because the Bible does not say something does not mean its not true.
Yes, I know what you were trying to do. We see it all the time here.
Also, the Bible does not discuss the scientific processes of the origins of the earth. The Bible teaches the spiritual truth that God created the heavens and the earth, that he created man in his own image, and that he set about the long plan of salvation history for man, and that is all that the creation narrative teaches.
The Bible discusses enough of the details to prove that the secular and mostly atheistic models of "billions of years of evolution" of the heavens and the earth are wrong and contrary to the Bible.
 

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I was just trying to make a point: Just because the Bible does not say something does not mean its not true.

True, but the problem here is that it DOES talk about origins, and in doing so, it specifies a much smaller period of time, thereby excluding billions of years.

Also, the Bible does not discuss the scientific processes of the origins of the earth.

So what?

No one here has claimed that the Bible is any sort of science textbook.

The Bible teaches the spiritual truth that God created the heavens and the earth,

... in six days.

that he created man in his own image,

... on day six.

and that he set about the long plan of salvation history for man,

... that would unfold over the next 4500 years or so.

and that is all that the creation narrative teaches.

Including what I had to add to your post, that is MOSTLY correct.

It's a bit more detailed than that, though.
 

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Yes.


In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth.The earth was without form, and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.Then God said, “Let there be light”; and there was light.And God saw the light, that it was good; and God divided the light from the darkness.God called the light Day, and the darkness He called Night. So the evening and the morning were the first day.



On day 1, God made the heavens, the earth, and light, and divided the light from the darkness.


Then God said, “Let there be a firmament in the midst of the waters, and let it divide the waters from the waters.”Thus God made the firmament, and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament; and it was so.And God called the firmament Heaven. So the evening and the morning were the second day.



On day 2, God started making the crust of the earth, dividing the waters above (which came to be called Seas) from the waters below (called the Deep)


Then God said, “Let the waters under the heavens be gathered together into one place, and let the dry land appear”; and it was so.And God called the dry land Earth, and the gathering together of the waters He called Seas. And God saw that it was good.Then God said, “Let the earth bring forth grass, the herb that yields seed, and the fruit tree that yields fruit according to its kind, whose seed is in itself, on the earth”; and it was so.And the earth brought forth grass, the herb that yields seed according to its kind, and the tree that yields fruit, whose seed is in itself according to its kind. And God saw that it was good.So the evening and the morning were the third day.



On Day 3, God finished making the crust of the earth, and on the dry land he made grass, herbs that yield seed, and fruit trees that yield fruit.


Then God said, “Let there be lights in the firmament of the heavens to divide the day from the night; and let them be for signs and seasons, and for days and years;and let them be for lights in the firmament of the heavens to give light on the earth”; and it was so.Then God made two great lights: the greater light to rule the day, and the lesser light to rule the night. He made the stars also.God set them in the firmament of the heavens to give light on the earth,and to rule over the day and over the night, and to divide the light from the darkness. And God saw that it was good.So the evening and the morning were the fourth day.



On Day 4, God made the stars, the Sun, and the Moon.


Then God said, “Let the waters abound with an abundance of living creatures, and let birds fly above the earth across the face of the firmament of the heavens.”So God created great sea creatures and every living thing that moves, with which the waters abounded, according to their kind, and every winged bird according to its kind. And God saw that it was good.And God blessed them, saying, “Be fruitful and multiply, and fill the waters in the seas, and let birds multiply on the earth.”So the evening and the morning were the fifth day.



On day 5, God made sea creatures and birds.


Then God said, “Let the earth bring forth the living creature according to its kind: cattle and creeping thing and beast of the earth, each according to its kind”; and it was so.And God made the beast of the earth according to its kind, cattle according to its kind, and everything that creeps on the earth according to its kind. And God saw that it was good.Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.”So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.Then God blessed them, and God said to them, “Be fruitful and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it; have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over every living thing that moves on the earth.”And God said, “See, I have given you every herb that yields seed which is on the face of all the earth, and every tree whose fruit yields seed; to you it shall be for food.Also, to every beast of the earth, to every bird of the air, and to everything that creeps on the earth, in which there is life, I have given every green herb for food”; and it was so.Then God saw everything that He had made, and indeed it was very good. So the evening and the morning were the sixth day. - Genesis 1:1-31 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis1:1-31&version=NKJV



And on day 6 God made cattle and beasts of the earth, and as the pinnacle of His creation, He made man in His own image and likeness.

That's six days.
 

Trump Gurl

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I have read all that many times. No need to post it all.

It was never meant to be read literally.

I am not going to argue with you. You get frustrated and then take it out on people using your mod tools. I am done here.
 
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