It is great to be back...
It is great to be back...
Originally posted by Nineveh
JAC,
"The nine things I listed in my post are not all inclusive of my spiritual salvation or spiritual service. "
That's why I asked which ones are necessary and/or which ones might cost you salvation. Care to share at this point?
"Do you understand the purpose for a medium? "
Yes, I do. I used to be a pagan
"Yes, he is relating his conversion to a party of people. "
Yes, that "he" is Paul, not introducing anything new to the crowd. Baptisms roots are much older than Paul.
"I find the idea of men needing to repent and turn to God from Genesis to Revelation also, but that is not the question I asked. '
I'm not going to argue semantics.
"Romans 10:9 is said to the church."
"The word is near you; it is in your mouth and in your heart," that is, the word of faith we are proclaiming: That if you confess with your mouth, "Jesus is Lord," and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved. As the Scripture says, "Anyone who trusts in him will never be put to shame." For there is no difference between Jew and Gentile--the same Lord is Lord of all and richly blesses all who call on him, for, "Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved."
"Endure and being faithful until death are two terms used in the NT and are synonymous with each other."
Being faithful, as in? Enduring, as in?
"Since they had not known that there was a Holy Spirit to indwell them Paul reasoned that they had not been baptized with the baptism of the commission of Christ (Matthew 28:18-20). He baptized them the baptism for the remission of sin. "
"Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?"
"No..."
"Then what baptism did you receive?"
"John's baptism"
"John's baptism was a baptism of repentance. He told the people to believe in the one coming after him, that is, in Jesus."
What you "reason" and what the Bible says aren't the same.
I will keep you in my prayers, be safe
Thanks to all who kept us in your prayers. It is great to be baxk home.
Where does the bible say that one should or must accept Jesus as their "personal savior?" Many use this expression and discount the real important thing which is obedience to the gospel (Romans 1:16; Romans 10:16). They believe and teach that the Holy Spirit is effective in salvation when the bible speaks nothing to this. They believe that repentance comes after salvation when the bible plainly teaches that one must repent before baptism (Acts 2:38; 3:19). In fact, they fail to give water baptism its proper place at all.
Are we baptized in the name of Jesus Christ in water or the Spirit? Everyone understands that Jesus was referring to water baptism when He commanded the apostles to, "Go therefore and make disciples of all the nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all things that I have commanded you..." (Matthew 28:19-20). When Jesus commanded the apostles to baptize in water in the name of the Father, Son, and Spirit, we should not be surprised to see Peter commanding water baptism in the name of the Son.
In Acts 8, we are told of Philip teaching the Samaritans
about Jesus. In verse twelve, the Samaritans were baptized when they believed what Philip taught. Later in the text
we can read, "Now when the apostles who were at Jerusalem heard that Samaria had received the word of God, they sent Peter and John to them, who, when they had come down, prayed for them that they might receive the Holy Spirit. For as yet He had fallen upon none of them. They had only been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. Then laid they their hands on them, and they received the Holy Spirit" (Acts 8:14-17). Notice why Peter and John prayed for the Samaritans to receive the Holy Spirit. They had only been baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus!
Baptism "in the name of the Lord" cannot be Spirit baptism, otherwise the apostles would not have had to come to Samaria to lay their hands on them so they could receive the Spirit! The only alternative is that baptism "in the name of the Lord" is water baptism, and Peter taught that we are to be baptized in the name of the Lord for the remission of sins. In Acts 19, the apostle Paul met twelve men in Ephesus who had only been baptized into John's baptism. He taught them about Jesus and
we are told, "When they heard this, they were baptized in the name of the Lord Jesus. And when Paul had laid hands on them, the Holy Spirit came upon them, and they spoke with tongues and prophesied" (Acts 19:5-6).
Once again, we need to notice the order of events. The twelve disciples of Apollos were first baptized "in the name of the Lord Jesus," and afterwards, the apostle Paul laid his hands on them so they could receive the Holy Spirit. If baptism "in the name of the Lord" is Spirit baptism, then why did Paul have to lay his hands on them and give them the Spirit? The claim that baptism "in the name of the Lord" is Spirit baptism is false. Baptism for the remission of sins in the name of the Lord can only be water baptism. Those who argue that it is Holy Spirit baptism are refusing to accept the plain simple words of an inspired apostle of Jesus Christ.
I trust you will not be quick now to discount the purpose of water baptism and will continue to study the subject.
JustAChristian
