When does the biblical day begin?

[jamie]

And? Count to the next DAY...as in daylight portion...not count to the next evening beginning with the night time portion but count to the next day beginning morning into the day light portion...count to the next DAY not night...

"And a man named Joseph, who was a member of the Council, a good and righteous man (he had not consented to their plan and action), a man from Arimathea, a city of the Jews, who was waiting for the kingdom of God; this man went to Pilate and asked for the body of Jesus. And he took it down and wrapped it in a linen cloth and laid Him in a tomb cut into the rock where no one had ever lain. It was the preparation day and the Sabbath was about to begin." (Luke 23:50-54 NASB)

Jesus was buried as the annual Sabbath began.

 

[intojoy]

No Jerry.


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[clefty]

"In the Bible, the season of light (Gen. i. 5), lasting "from dawn [lit. "the rising of the morning"] to the coming forth of the stars" (Neh. iv. 15, 17). The term "day" is used also to denote a period of twenty-four hours (Ex. xxi. 21)."
http://jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/5007-day

Right luckily they both have the same beginning time...dawn

Both the day light portion and the 24 hour day begin at dawn.

Is why in genesis the day is numbered after it is completed...and then it was evening and then it was morning=day 1

Look at Matt 28:1
"In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre." KJV sabbath ended as it began to dawn...as it began to dawn is quite a few hours from the evening before...which is then not really the end of the sabbath is it?

“Now late on the sabbath day, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.” ASV again if Sabbath ended at sunset dawn was ALREADY the first day/next day not COMING TOWARDS THE FIRST DAY... we


"Mark 16:1–2 depicts, “And when the sabbath was past, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, bought spices, that they might come and anoint him. And very early on the first day of the week, they come to the tomb when the sun was risen.”

How could it be “very early” if the day started at sunset or midnight?"

https://godsbreath.net/2007/07/23/when-a-day-ends-in-the-bible/

 

[jamie]

When was Jesus placed in the tomb?

 

[clefty]

You do not know what the Hebrew word that is translated as "tomorrow" means in the Bible. You assume that it means "the day after today", but it could just as easily mean "the next daytime".

quite easily indeed as the next next day time is also the tomorrow. See post #410

Or look up 1 Sam 19:11

Human tradition is all we have. It the only reason to think that the Hebrew Bible is of any value. The usual response to this is "yes, but Jesus is God, and Jesus said..."- think for a minute. How do you know that "Jesus is God"? Only from human tradition. Even if it is written in a book.

Same book says certain humans are liars...synagogue of Satan their father a liar...

 

[chair]

quite easily indeed as the next next day time is also the tomorrow. See post #410

Or look up 1 Sam 19:11

I read your post. I read Samuel. I responded to your post. Did you read my post? You have no basis for saying that the "the next next day time is also the tomorrow".

Same book says certain humans are liars...synagogue of Satan their father a liar...

Yep. More books. More human traditions.

If your form of argument is going to be "You are Jewish, and therefore you are a liar", then there is nothing to discuss.

Chair

 

[intojoy]

And there was evening (first) and morning (last) the first day.


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[clefty]

When was Jesus placed in the tomb?

Matt 27:57 Now when evening had come, when it was evening, when even WAS come etc so it was already Sabbath?

Getting an appointment with Pilate during High Holy day after government hours was not easy...they had to wait for confirmation that the body was dead...then the process began...not a small task or a simple one...not a quick one either...luckily it was a full moon so they could work during the night to pull Him off the cross carry Him wrap Him up and lay Him in the tomb and secure it...

Luke states it was still preparation day when this happened and was completed and then the Sabbath began to dawn Luke 23:54 so after evening it remained Friday...

the ladies returned to the city to prepare spices and fragrant oils but rested on the Sabbath first...verse 56

 

[clefty]

And there was evening (first) and morning (last) the first day.


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Yup...There was darkness then light was created it was called day and then darkness was called night...then this light which was created became evening into night and then the night became morning completing the first day...

 

[jamie]

luckily it was a full moon so they could work during the night to pull Him off the cross carry Him wrap Him up and lay Him in the tomb and secure it...

"Therefore, because it was the Preparation Day, that the bodies should not remain on the cross on the Sabbath (for that Sabbath was a high day), the Jews asked Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away." (John 19:31)

The legs were broken so the men would would die and could be removed from their cross before Nisan 15 began at sundown. As Jesus was laid in the empty tomb the holy day began.

So how did they know when the Sabbath began?

 

[jamie]

"On the next day, which followed the Day of Preparation, the chief priests and Pharisees gathered together to Pilate, saying, 'Sir, we remember while He was still alive how that deceiver said, ‘After three days I will rise.’ Therefore command that the tomb be made secure until the third day, lest His disciples come by night and steal Him away and say to the people, ‘He has risen from the dead.’ So the last deception will be worse than the first.'
Pilate said to them, 'You have a guard; go your way, make it as secure as you know how.' So they went and made the tomb secure, sealing the stone and setting the guard." (Matthew 27:62-66)

Jesus was laid in the tomb as the fifth day of the week began and raised as the first day began (three nights and three days).

 

[clefty]

"Therefore, because it was the Preparation Day, that the bodies should not remain on the cross on the Sabbath (for that Sabbath was a high day), the Jews asked Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away." (John 19:31)

The legs were broken so the men would would die and could be removed from their cross before Nisan 15 began at sundown. As Jesus was laid in the empty tomb the holy day began.

So how did they know when the Sabbath began?

His body was asked for when it already was evening...thus they buried Him on the next day if you insist in your error...and not in accordance to:

DEUTERONOMY 21:23) "His body shall not remain all night on the tree, but you shall surely bury him the same day; ..."

Catch that? Bury him the SAME day...

Dying by cross took awhile as does burying a body so of course they wanted Him buried before Sabbath began in the morning...they wanted to bury Him the SAME day during the nighttime portion of the day He died on...the 14th Passover...

 

[jamie]

His body was asked for when it already was evening

And evening began at noon in Hebrew time.

As Jesus was laid in the tomb the Sabbath began.

Catch that? He was buried the same day.

How did they know exactly when the Sabbath began?

 

[clefty]

And evening began at noon in Hebrew time.

Right so His body was asked for before He was dead?

As Jesus was laid in the tomb the Sabbath began.

nope...it was already evening when asked for and well into the night until "as the Sabbath was dawning"

Catch that? He was buried the same day.

yup same day He died after being crucified and the same day the lambs were slain at the temple the 14th...same day His body was asked for after it was dead and evening had come (He died the 9th hour since when the sunset when the day began? Or the 9th hour since the day began in the morning)...same day He was confirmed dead for some time Mark 15:44 for Pilate and same day it was removed off the cross carried away washed and prepared with 100 pounds of embalming ointment brought by nicodemus...

How did they know exactly when the Sabbath began?

when the sun rose the seventh day of the week...just like in the OT when the Israelites found mana on the ground in the morning because "tomorrow is the Sabbath" not "this evening is the Sabbath"

 

[jamie]

when the sun rose the seventh day of the week

Nope.

"Moreover, his (Josephus) descriptions of Sabbath celebration do not differ from the Biblical. That the beginning and end of the Sabbath were announced by trumpet-blasts ("B. J." iv. 9, § 12) is shown by the Mishnah (Suk. v. 5)."
http://jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/12962-sabbath

 

[intojoy]

When 2 stars are visible (6pm) the Biblical day begins my sons.


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[jamie]

When 2 stars are visible (6pm) the Biblical day begins my sons.

When do Sabbaths begin?

 

[intojoy]

When 2 stars are visible Friday eve it’s Shabbat Shalom


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[chair]

When 2 stars are visible Friday eve it’s Shabbat Shalom


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Close, but no cigar.

I am getting the impression that the critical (for some Christians) question is what the word for "tomorrow" means.

 

[jamie]

In Jesus' time Sabbaths were marked by trumpet blasts to announce the beginning and the end of the Sabbath in Jerusalem according to the Jewish Encyclopedia.