When does the biblical day begin?

[S-word]

Rather pity those who ignore that it was leavened bread broken at the last supper not unleavened as Passover required...

Pity too the Lambs to be eaten the SAME DAY they are offered...that is the 14th

And those the Wrath killed passing over on the 14th...

You continue to deny the word of the Lord and you are entitled to do so, but you are not allowed to attempt to convince other that your lie takes preference over the words of the Lord, which state that Jesus ate the Passover meal with his disciples in the evening of the 12 hours of darkness on the 14th day of Abib as commanded by the Lord. HE was sentenced to death by Pilate at about the 6th hour of the 12 hours of darkness on the 14th day of Abib. HE was nailed to the cross on the 3rd hour of the 12 hours of daylight that followed the 12 hours of darkness on the 14th day of Abib. Darkness covered the land at the 6th hour of the 12 hours of daylight on the 14th day of Abib. Jesus died at the 9th hour of the 12 hours of day light on the 14th day of Abib, and was buried just as the sun was setting on the 14th day of Abib, and the evening of the 15th day of Abib was beginning, when the Jews, who had abandoned the one day festival of Passover and had incorporated the Passover meal into the evening and beginning of the first of their seven day festival of unleavened bread, were sitting down to eat of the Lamb that they had slaughtered between the two evenings that preceded their Passover.

The two evenings mentioned in the Hebrew bible, was Midday, when the sun began its descent and twilight as the sun began to sink below the horizon, 3PM would be the centre of the two evenings that preceded the Passover.

Thus sayeth the words of the Lord.

Your words do not take preference over the words of the Lord Clefty, and because you continue to put your lie before the truth of the Lord, you have dropped yourself into the cess pit that has been reserved for such as you. This, you are about to discover.

 

[clefty]

You continue to deny the word of the Lord and you are entitled to do so, but you are not allowed to attempt to convince other that your lie takes preference over the words of the Lord, which state that Jesus ate the Passover meal with his disciples in the evening of the 12 hours of darkness on the 14th day of Abib as commanded by the Lord. HE was sentenced to death by Pilate at about the 6th hour of the 12 hours of darkness on the 14th day of Abib. HE was nailed to the cross on the 3rd hour of the 12 hours of daylight that followed the 12 hours of darkness on the 14th day of Abib. Darkness covered the land at the 6th hour of the 12 hours of daylight on the 14th day of Abib. Jesus died at the 9th hour of the 12 hours of day light on the 14th day of Abib, and was buried just as the sun was setting on the 14th day of Abib, and the evening of the 15th day of Abib was beginning, when the Jews, who had abandoned the one day festival of Passover and had incorporated the Passover meal into the evening and beginning of the first of their seven day festival of unleavened bread, were sitting down to eat of the Lamb that they had slaughtered between the two evenings that preceded their Passover.

The two evenings mentioned in the Hebrew bible, was Midday, when the sun began its descent and twilight as the sun began to sink below the horizon, 3PM would be the centre of the two evenings that preceded the Passover.

Thus sayeth the words of the Lord.

Your words do not take preference over the words of the Lord Clefty, and because you continue to put your lie before the truth of the Lord, you have dropped yourself into the cess pit that has been reserved for such as you. This, you are about to discover.

Ate the passover eh? No mention of lamb...and even if there was there was no mention of when their lamb was slaughtered?

Even the bread was leavened...meal included wine...eating while reclining not standing staff in hand with sandals on...no passover prayers but disciples squabbling about who was the greatest...and they went outside singing into the garden...Judas was thought to go get something for the feast...what shop would be open on the 14th the passover?

 

[WeberHome]

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pity those who ignore that it was leavened bread broken at the last supper not unleavened as Passover required

Eating regular bread at Passover is a sin for which the covenant that Yhvh's people agreed upon with God permits neither atonement nor forgiveness.

● Ex 12:14-15 . .This day shall be to you one of remembrance: you shall celebrate it as a festival to the Lord throughout the ages; you shall celebrate it as an institution for all time. Seven days you shall eat unleavened bread; on the very first day you shall remove leaven from your houses, for whoever eats leavened bread from the first day to the seventh day, that person shall be cut off from Israel.

In other words: when a Jew eats leavened bread during the feast of unleavened bread, they are accursed. That puts people like you in a terrible light because according to 1Cor 12:3, no man speaking by the Spirit of God alleges that Jesus is accursed.

According to John 8:29, 2Cor 5:21, Heb 4:15, and 1Pet 2:22 Jesus never committed one single solitary sin in his entire life. So then, you have not only revealed yourself speaking by some other spirit than God's, but you have also condemned an innocent man.

John 6:32-48 says that Christ is the bread of God and the bread of Life. In both cases, "bread" is translated from the Greek word artos; which just means bread; leavened or unleavened. Surely no one would propose to say that the bread of God and the bread of Life are leavened breads; especially since we know from Luke 12:1 and 1Cor 5:6-8 that leaven represents the presence of impurities.

And anyway, Christ and his men weren't dunces. Those guys were all observant Jews who knew better than to eat chametz on Passover. There's just no way they would eat leavened bread with their lamb because doing so would be painfully contrary to their ethnic identity. And whoever prepared dinner for them would certainly never do such a dumb thing as serving regular bread with a meal that commences a week-long festival whose prime focus is matzah.

the Lambs to be eaten the SAME DAY they are offered...that is the 14th

The lamb is not eaten during the day; it is specifically eaten at night. (Ex 12:8).

Most everyone, (with the exception of a few rather odd eccentrics) understand that the night of the 14th is the beginning of the 15th.

There is something very seriously out of whack with you clefty. I don't know what it is; but I'm honestly beginning to suspect that maybe you're on the autism spectrum? Your stubborn obsession with midnight suggests that possibility.

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[clefty]

Yes, the observers of the law understood a new day began at the evening that began night. That night was designated a special night to be observed each year as a memorial. (Exodus 12:42)

The whole creation week is counted just like every birthday we have ever celebrated...the year happens first and then the age number...

We start the count the day we arrive and are spanked to start breathing...that day is marked on the calendar...no cake no candles no presents...ok? So there it is marked the day we are born...and then the year begins... about 365 days later that date comes around again and guess what...its the first year...it came to be year one...imagine that...all the events between being actually born and celebrating the year happened BEFORE WE ARE ONE YEAR OLD...our FIRST BIRTHDAY

My dad celebrated his 82nd year today..."Imagine that" he said..."82 completed years and now I am working on 83rd"

"HalleluYah" I say "Let Yah be praised"...another lesson my dad teaches on how to count...what a day for him...and it came to be evening and it will come to be morning another bday completed...


Think about it every time you look at your odometer...you travel the distance FIRST and then the number turns on the dial...first the travel and then the count 1 mile...you move on...2 miles...do you get the patterns? first the time and/or distance and then the numbering...

It was dark...Light was created and called DAY it came to be evening...came to be morning...day ONE...

The act of creation occured...then it came to be evening...and then it came to be morning the Xth day...

 

[clefty]

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Eating regular bread at Passover is a sin for which the covenant that Yhvh's people agreed upon with God permits neither atonement nor forgiveness.

● Ex 12:14-15 . .This day shall be to you one of remembrance: you shall celebrate it as a festival to the Lord throughout the ages; you shall celebrate it as an institution for all time. Seven days you shall eat unleavened bread; on the very first day you shall remove leaven from your houses, for whoever eats leavened bread from the first day to the seventh day, that person shall be cut off from Israel.

In other words: when a Jew eats leavened bread during the feast of unleavened bread, they are accursed. That puts people like you in a terrible light because according to 1Cor 12:3, no man speaking by the Spirit of God alleges that Jesus is accursed.

According to John 8:29, 2Cor 5:21, Heb 4:15, and 1Pet 2:22 Jesus never committed one single solitary sin in his entire life. So then, you have not only revealed yourself speaking by some other spirit than God's, but you have also condemned an innocent man.

John 6:32-48 says that Christ is the bread of God and the bread of Life. In both cases, "bread" is translated from the Greek word artos; which just means bread; leavened or unleavened. Surely no one would propose to say that the bread of God and the bread of Life are leavened breads; especially since we know from Luke 12:1 and 1Cor 5:6-8 that leaven represents the presence of impurities.

And anyway, Christ and his men weren't dunces. Those guys were all observant Jews who knew better than to eat chametz on Passover. There's just no way they would eat leavened bread with their lamb because doing so would be painfully contrary to their ethnic identity. And whoever prepared dinner for them would certainly never do such a dumb thing as serving regular bread with a meal that commences a week-long festival whose prime focus is matzah.



The lamb is not eaten during the day; it is specifically eaten at night. (Ex 12:8).

Most everyone, (with the exception of a few rather odd eccentrics) understand that the night of the 14th is the beginning of the 15th.

There is something very seriously out of whack with you clefty. I don't know what it is; but I'm honestly beginning to suspect that maybe you're on the autism spectrum? Your stubborn obsession with midnight suggests that possibility.

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Thanks for the false concern masking scorn...

I know that unleavened bread is to be eaten at the Passover meal...there are those that insist that the last supper was a passover meal despite the bread being leavened...take it up with the Eastern Orthodox Church for starters...pity them, have concern for them...scorn them I care not...

By the biblical count lambs are eaten the same day they are slaughtered AND AT EVENING/NiGHT...and during the same night before the wrath passed over...

 

[Jerry Shugart]

Now the last supper happened AFTER the lambs were killed?

Of course it was and that happened on the 14th:

"Then came the day of unleavened bread, when the passover must be killed. And he sent Peter and John, saying, Go and prepare us the passover, that we may eat. And they said unto him, Where wilt thou that we prepare? And he said unto them, Behold, when ye are entered into the city, there shall a man meet you, bearing a pitcher of water; follow him into the house where he entereth in. And ye shall say unto the goodman of the house, The Master saith unto thee, Where is the guestchamber, where I shall eat the passover with my disciples? And he shall shew you a large upper room furnished: there make ready. And they went, and found as he had said unto them: and they made ready the passover. And when the hour was come, he sat down, and the twelve apostles with him. And he said unto them, With desire I have desired to eat this passover with you before I suffer" (Lk.22:7-15).​

They killed the passover on the 14th:

"Your lamb shall be without blemish, a male of the first year: ye shall take it out from the sheep, or from the goats: And ye shall keep it up until the fourteenth day of the same month: and the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it in the evening" (Ex.12:5-6).​

Despite this evidence you say that the verses which I quoted at Luke 22:7-15 happened on the 13th day of the month. All that you have shown me is that you are your final authority and not the Bible!

 

[Jerry Shugart]

This is for all of those who say that the passover was eaten on the 15th.

We know that unleavened bread was eaten with the passover meal (Ex.12:8). We also know that after that meal unleavened bread was eathen for the next seven days:

"In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the LORD'S passover. And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the LORD: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread" (Lev.23:5-6).​

So when we add "one" to "seven" we get "eight" days when unleavened bread was eaten with the meals. We can see the same truth here:

"In the first month, on the fourteenth day of the month at even, ye shall eat unleavened bread, until the one and twentieth day of the month at even" (Ex.12:18).​

14th Day--1
15th Day--2
16th Day--3
17th Day--4
18th Day--5
19th Day--6
20th Day--7
21th Day--8

So we can see once again that unleavened bread was eaten for "eight" days. Now let us look next at how many days we get if unleavened bread first began to be eaten on the 15th:

15th Day--1
16th Day--2
17th Day--3
18th Day--4
19th day--5
20th Day--6
21st Day--7

Obviously it is impossible that the passover was eaten on the 15th. "Seven" days when unleavened bread was eaten is not the same as "eight" days when unleavened bread was eaten.

 

[clefty]

This is for all of those who say that the passover was eaten on the 15th.

We know that unleavened bread was eaten with the passover meal (Ex.12:8). We also know that after that meal unleavened bread was eathen for the next seven days:

"In the fourteenth day of the first month at even is the LORD'S passover. And on the fifteenth day of the same month is the feast of unleavened bread unto the LORD: seven days ye must eat unleavened bread" (Lev.23:5-6).​

So when we add "one" to "seven" we get "eight" days when unleavened bread was eaten with the meals. We can see the same truth here:

"In the first month, on the fourteenth day of the month at even, ye shall eat unleavened bread, until the one and twentieth day of the month at even" (Ex.12:18).​

14th Day--1
15th Day--2
16th Day--3
17th Day--4
18th Day--5
19th Day--6
20th Day--7
21th Day--8

So we can see once again that unleavened bread was eaten for "eight" days. Now let us look next at how many days we get if unleavened bread first began to be eaten on the 15th:

15th Day--1
16th Day--2
17th Day--3
18th Day--4
19th day--5
20th Day--6
21st Day--7

Obviously it is impossible that the passover was eaten on the 15th. "Seven" days when unleavened bread was eaten is not the same as "eight" days when unleavened bread was eaten.

Well that ain't me...I ain't saying passover was eaten on the 15th...


It was eaten on the 14th the same day the lambs were killed and the Wrath passes over at midnight...15th was in the morning before which the leftover meat was to be burnt...

And certainly all this was after the Lord's supper...which happened the day before...

 

[S-word]

Ate the passover eh? No mention of lamb...and even if there was there was no mention of when their lamb was slaughtered?

Even the bread was leavened...meal included wine...eating while reclining not standing staff in hand with sandals on...no passover prayers but disciples squabbling about who was the greatest...and they went outside singing into the garden...Judas was thought to go get something for the feast...what shop would be open on the 14th the passover?

clefty wrote.......Ate the passover eh? No mention of lamb...and even if there was there was no mention of when their lamb was slaughtered?

S-word.......Of course there was no lamb, Jesus was the reality of the Passover Lamb, that's why he substituted the unleavened bread and the wine, as his body and blood. You are an ignorant child in reference to the scriptures, aren't you?

clefty wrote...... Even the bread was leavened

S-word........I suppose you have to be forgiven for your infantile ignorance clefty, nowhere in the scripture will you find that Jesus and his disciples ate leavened bread on their Passover which was held in the evening and beginning of the 14th day of Abib, as commanded by the Lord through his prophet Moses, that is just another of your many, many porkies.

The disciples prepared the Passover meal, and no Jew would have had leavened bread at the Seder table.

clefty wrote...meal included wine...eating while reclining not standing staff in hand with sandals on...no passover prayers but disciples squabbling about who was the greatest...and they went outside singing into the garden...


S-word...... if you had ever been at a Jewish Seder. You would know that it is an obligation to drink four cups of wine or, if you prefer kosher grape, recite the Haggadah, eat the afikoman, which is hidden away for the "dessert" after the meal, and recline comfortably at the Seder table to celebrate being free.

It was also the custom to sing passages from the poetic biblical book of Songs of Songs, which I assume the disciples were doing. The Chad Gadya (“One Little Goat”) poem that is sung at the conclusion of the seder now days, is said, to have been written by Rabbi Eliezer Rokeach in the 12th century.

Why don't you check up on your internet before mouthing off your Rubbish?

clefty wrote......Judas was thought to go get something for the feast...what shop would be open on the 14th the Passover?

S-word......OH you are such an ignorant child, must I explain everything to you? The Festival of Unleavened Bread, drew people from all over Israel and beyond to Jerusalem, and the Day of preparation to the Jews, who, unlike Jesus, had abandoned the one day festival of Passover and had incorporate their Passover meal into the first of their seven day festival of unleavened bread, was one of the busiest days of the year, with money changers, food stalls, and others which sold just about anything needed for their Passover, etc.

What shop would be open you ask? Indeed you show your total inability to understand the scriptures and the history of those times.

 

[WeberHome]

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there are those that insist that the last supper was a passover meal

Yes; of course we insist because there is adequate evidence to prove it.

● Mark 14:12-16 . . On the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread, when it was customary to sacrifice the Passover lamb, Jesus' disciples asked him: Where do you want us to go and make preparations for you to eat the Passover?

. . . So he sent two of his disciples, telling them: Go into the city, and a man carrying a jar of water will meet you. Follow him. Say to the owner of the house he enters, "The Teacher asks: Where is my guest room, where I may eat the Passover with my disciples?" He will show you a large upper room, furnished and ready. Make preparations for us there.

. . .The disciples left, went into the city and found things just as Jesus had told them. So they prepared the Passover

See also Luke 22:7-16

the bread being leavened

Had Jesus eaten leavened bread with his Passover meal, he would have violated Ex 12:14-15, and by doing so, brought down a curse upon himself.

● Deut 27:26 . . Cursed is the man who does not uphold the words of this law by carrying them out.

Not only that, but Jesus would have led his men into sin, thus relegating himself to the position of least in the kingdom of heaven. (Matt 5:19)

By the biblical count lambs are eaten the same day they are slaughtered

Not so; the lambs are eaten at night.

● Ex 12:6-8 . .Take care of them until the fourteenth day of the month, when all the people of the community of Israel must slaughter them at twilight. Then they are to take some of the blood and put it on the sides and tops of the doorframes of the houses where they eat the lambs. That same night they are to eat the meat

Thanks for the false concern masking scorn

Disgust would be my choice of word.

And as far as I'm concerned, this thread has gone on long enough. There is nothing to gain by continuing to quarrel about the same things over and over and over again.

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[clefty]

clefty wrote.......Ate the passover eh? No mention of lamb...and even if there was there was no mention of when their lamb was slaughtered?

S-word.......Of course there was no lamb, Jesus was the reality of the Passover Lamb, that's why he substituted the unleavened bread and the wine, as his body and blood. You are an ignorant child in reference to the scriptures, aren't you?

clefty wrote...... Even the bread was leavened

S-word........I suppose you have to be forgiven for your infantile ignorance clefty, nowhere in the scripture will you find that Jesus and his disciples ate leavened bread on their Passover which was held in the evening and beginning of the 14th day of Abib, as commanded by the Lord through his prophet Moses, that is just another of your many, many porkies.

The disciples prepared the Passover meal, and no Jew would have had leavened bread at the Seder table.

clefty wrote...meal included wine...eating while reclining not standing staff in hand with sandals on...no passover prayers but disciples squabbling about who was the greatest...and they went outside singing into the garden...


S-word...... if you had ever been at a Jewish Seder. You would know that it is an obligation to drink four cups of wine or, if you prefer kosher grape, recite the Haggadah, eat the afikoman, which is hidden away for the "dessert" after the meal, and recline comfortably at the Seder table to celebrate being free.

It was also the custom to sing passages from the poetic biblical book of Songs of Songs, which I assume the disciples were doing. The Chad Gadya (“One Little Goat”) poem that is sung at the conclusion of the seder now days, is said, to have been written by Rabbi Eliezer Rokeach in the 12th century.

Why don't you check up on your internet before mouthing off your Rubbish?

clefty wrote......Judas was thought to go get something for the feast...what shop would be open on the 14th the Passover?

S-word......OH you are such an ignorant child, must I explain everything to you? The Festival of Unleavened Bread, drew people from all over Israel and beyond to Jerusalem, and the Day of preparation to the Jews, who, unlike Jesus, had abandoned the one day festival of Passover and had incorporate their Passover meal into the first of their seven day festival of unleavened bread, was one of the busiest days of the year, with money changers, food stalls, and others which sold just about anything needed for their Passover, etc.

What shop would be open you ask? Indeed you show your total inability to understand the scriptures and the history of those times.

Here's some update to your idea Seders were around at that time...

http://www.biblicalarchaeology.org/...storical-jesus/was-jesus-last-supper-a-seder/

 

[Jerry Shugart]

Well that ain't me...I ain't saying passover was eaten on the 15th...

It was eaten on the 14th the same day the lambs were killed and the Wrath passes over at midnight...15th was in the morning before which the leftover meat was to be burnt...

The following verses are speaking about what happened on the 14th, when the lambs were killed. Andit is positive proof that the Last Supper was also on the 14th:

"Then came the day of unleavened bread, when the passover must be killed. And he sent Peter and John, saying, Go and prepare us the passover, that we may eat. And they said unto him, Where wilt thou that we prepare? And he said unto them, Behold, when ye are entered into the city, there shall a man meet you, bearing a pitcher of water; follow him into the house where he entereth in. And ye shall say unto the goodman of the house, The Master saith unto thee, Where is the guestchamber, where I shall eat the passover with my disciples? And he shall shew you a large upper room furnished: there make ready. And they went, and found as he had said unto them: and they made ready the passover. And when the hour was come, he sat down, and the twelve apostles with him. And he said unto them, With desire I have desired to eat this passover with you before I suffer" (Lk.22:7-15).​

Despite the fact that you are looking directly at this evidence you say that these events happened on the 13th and not the 14th. It is beyond me how you can say that with a straight face!

 

[WatchmanOnTheWall]

Nothing in scripture about His keeping Sabbath Friday night...it was the correct Sabbath DAY...nowhere is there anything about Sabbath night...

God rested on the Sabbath which is the 7th day, not the 7th morning which is what God would have needed to have said, for your argument to stand. I shan't continue this argument as it has become ridiculous and is a waste of time. Also the name Friday, as with all the rest of the Roman names for the week were never used by the Jews till at least the 2nd century AD. The Julian calendar was not used by Jesus or any of the Israelite's prior to this time. You don't know what you're talking about. Also the next post you made doesn't even make enough grammatical sense to know what you are saying. Thanks for the discussion.

 

[Jerry Shugart]

I suppose you have to be forgiven for your infantile ignorance clefty, nowhere in the scripture will you find that Jesus and his disciples ate leavened bread on their Passover which was held in the evening and beginning of the 14th day of Abib...

If the Lord ate the passover with his Apostles at the beginning of the 14th day then how do you explain that prior to that the passover lambs were killed on the 14th?:

"Then came the day of unleavened bread, when the passover must be killed. And he sent Peter and John, saying, Go and prepare us the passover, that we may eat. And they said unto him, Where wilt thou that we prepare? And he said unto them, Behold, when ye are entered into the city, there shall a man meet you, bearing a pitcher of water; follow him into the house where he entereth in. And ye shall say unto the goodman of the house, The Master saith unto thee, Where is the guestchamber, where I shall eat the passover with my disciples? And he shall shew you a large upper room furnished: there make ready. And they went, and found as he had said unto them: and they made ready the passover. And when the hour was come, he sat down, and the twelve apostles with him. And he said unto them, With desire I have desired to eat this passover with you before I suffer" (Lk.22:7-15).​

They killed the passover on the 14th:

"Your lamb shall be without blemish, a male of the first year: ye shall take it out from the sheep, or from the goats: And ye shall keep it up until the fourteenth day of the same month: and the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it in the evening" (Ex.12:5-6).​

According to your ideas the Lord Jesus was eating with His apostles at the beginning of the 14th but the Scriptures declare that the things which happened prior to that meal happened on the 14th.

 

[clefty]

The following verses are speaking about what happened on the 14th, when the lambs were killed. Andit is positive proof that the Last Supper was also on the 14th:

"Then came the day of unleavened bread, when the passover must be killed. And he sent Peter and John, saying, Go and prepare us the passover, that we may eat. And they said unto him, Where wilt thou that we prepare? And he said unto them, Behold, when ye are entered into the city, there shall a man meet you, bearing a pitcher of water; follow him into the house where he entereth in. And ye shall say unto the goodman of the house, The Master saith unto thee, Where is the guestchamber, where I shall eat the passover with my disciples? And he shall shew you a large upper room furnished: there make ready. And they went, and found as he had said unto them: and they made ready the passover. And when the hour was come, he sat down, and the twelve apostles with him. And he said unto them, With desire I have desired to eat this passover with you before I suffer" (Lk.22:7-15).​

Despite the fact that you are looking directly at this evidence you say that these events happened on the 13th and not the 14th. It is beyond me how you can say that with a straight face!

Of course a once a year end celebration with loved ones is most desired...then it came time for the holidays at the end of the year and with great desire we desired to toast in the new year...oh you thought Christmas?

Preparations were made even before preparation day...notice how the words "day" and "Feast of" are italicized? You know what that means right? the original Greek did not have those words...they were inserted



If the last supper was the Passover there would be lamb...but lambs were killed the next day...they would eat it standing up staff in hand sandals on...the bread would be unleavened not common bread wine not included but bitter herbs...judas would not leave...nor would they as it was forbidden to go outside until morning...Wrath was out there...

And yet out there they went singing...

John is even more clear it was not...

Add to all this the end of the daylight portion did not end the 13th day thus the 14th began the next morning...

 

[clefty]

God rested on the Sabbath which is the 7th day, not the 7th morning which is what God would have needed to have said, for your argument to stand.

when Yah said what He did, morning began the day...every day...all days...not just the Sabbath day...not His fault Satan has man fooled otherwise...

I shan't continue this argument as it has become ridiculous and is a waste of time.

shan't thou? Mayest thou fare thee well then...

Also the name Friday, as with all the rest of the Roman names for the week were never used by the Jews till at least the 2nd century AD. The Julian calendar was not used by Jesus or any of the Israelite's prior to this time. You don't know what you're talking about.

yup...Jews made some changes they did...

Also the next post you made doesn't even make enough grammatical sense to know what you are saying. Thanks for the discussion.

Oh ok...

 

[clefty]

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Yes; of course we insist because there is adequate evidence to prove it.

● Mark 14:12-16 . . On the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread, when it was customary to sacrifice the Passover lamb, Jesus' disciples asked him: Where do you want us to go and make preparations for you to eat the Passover?

. . . So he sent two of his disciples, telling them: Go into the city, and a man carrying a jar of water will meet you. Follow him. Say to the owner of the house he enters, "The Teacher asks: Where is my guest room, where I may eat the Passover with my disciples?" He will show you a large upper room, furnished and ready. Make preparations for us there.

. . .The disciples left, went into the city and found things just as Jesus had told them. So they prepared the Passover

See also Luke 22:7-16

lambs killed the next day...they went out before morning...not allowed

Had Jesus eaten leavened bread with his Passover meal, he would have violated Ex 12:14-15, and by doing so, brought down a curse upon himself.

● Deut 27:26 . . Cursed is the man who does not uphold the words of this law by carrying them out.

Not only that, but Jesus would have led his men into sin, thus relegating himself to the position of least in the kingdom of heaven. (Matt 5:19)

Take it up with the John who has it before the Passover, and the Eastern Orthodox who still use leavened bread because He did...

Not so; the lambs are eaten at night.

● Ex 12:6-8 . .Take care of them until the fourteenth day of the month, when all the people of the community of Israel must slaughter them at twilight. Then they are to take some of the blood and put it on the sides and tops of the doorframes of the houses where they eat the lambs. That same night they are to eat the meat

again day ends in the morning...so killing the lambs between the evenings and eating it the same night would still be the same 24 day...the evening meal was eaten the same day the lambs were killed and the Wrath passed over at midnight...is why they were not to go outside that same night...and they were to burn the remaining meat before morning...the next day the 15th

Disgust would be my choice of word.

And as far as I'm concerned, this thread has gone on long enough. There is nothing to gain by continuing to quarrel about the same things over and over and over again.

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Take your ball and run along home then...

 

[Jerry Shugart]

Preparations were made even before preparation day...notice how the words "day" and "Feast of" are italicized? You know what that means right? the original Greek did not have those words...they were inserted

You are seeing things which do not even exist in the verses which I quoted. First, the word "day" is not italicized and the word "feast" is not even found in the text:

"Then came the day of unleavened bread, when the passover must be killed. And he sent Peter and John, saying, Go and prepare us the passover, that we may eat. And they said unto him, Where wilt thou that we prepare? And he said unto them, Behold, when ye are entered into the city, there shall a man meet you, bearing a pitcher of water; follow him into the house where he entereth in. And ye shall say unto the goodman of the house, The Master saith unto thee, Where is the guestchamber, where I shall eat the passover with my disciples? And he shall shew you a large upper room furnished: there make ready. And they went, and found as he had said unto them: and they made ready the passover. And when the hour was come, he sat down, and the twelve apostles with him. And he said unto them, With desire I have desired to eat this passover with you before I suffer" (Lk.22:7-15).​

You continue to insist that these verses describe what happened on the 13th despite the evidence proves that the lambs were killed on the 14th:

"Your lamb shall be without blemish, a male of the first year: ye shall take it out from the sheep, or from the goats: And ye shall keep it up until the fourteenth day of the same month: and the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it in the evening" (Ex.12:5-6).​

You have been shown these numerous times but you just refuse to believe this plain truth.

 

[clefty]

You are seeing things which do not even exist in the verses which I quoted. First, the word "day" is not italicized and the word "feast" is not even found in the text:

"Then came the day of unleavened bread, when the passover must be killed. And he sent Peter and John, saying, Go and prepare us the passover, that we may eat. And they said unto him, Where wilt thou that we prepare? And he said unto them, Behold, when ye are entered into the city, there shall a man meet you, bearing a pitcher of water; follow him into the house where he entereth in. And ye shall say unto the goodman of the house, The Master saith unto thee, Where is the guestchamber, where I shall eat the passover with my disciples? And he shall shew you a large upper room furnished: there make ready. And they went, and found as he had said unto them: and they made ready the passover. And when the hour was come, he sat down, and the twelve apostles with him. And he said unto them, With desire I have desired to eat this passover with you before I suffer" (Lk.22:7-15).​

You continue to insist that these verses describe what happened on the 13th despite the evidence proves that the lambs were killed on the 14th:

"Your lamb shall be without blemish, a male of the first year: ye shall take it out from the sheep, or from the goats: And ye shall keep it up until the fourteenth day of the same month: and the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it in the evening" (Ex.12:5-6).​

You have been shown these numerous times but you just refuse to believe this plain truth.

Just try it with the morning beginning the days...you know, like the biblical day occurred and then counted...

Like we count birthdays...the year completed we add the year...

Like when you look at your odometer...you travel the distance first and then it is numbered...

And it came to be evening and then it came to be morning-the Xth day, or day x

 

[Jerry Shugart]

Just try it with the morning beginning the days...you know, like the biblical day occurred and then counted...

That is the way that I understand the verse and it changes nothing. The day when the lamb was killed was the 14th and then later in the day was the last supper. That also happened on the 14th.

But you say that it happened on the 13th.