What would make you Catholic?
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glassjester
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No reason to deface the Bible. Just continue to interpret it according to the entirely non-authoritative assumptions and opinions of your chosen recently-invented, man-made non-Catholic sect. Problem "solved," right? :thumb:
Lon
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Yes. It is. Think rather, what is it 'sufficient' for? The scriptures say what they are sufficient for which makes them formally sufficient unto a clear and scripturally given end.
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The self-evident Principles of Rational Thought built into the created order by God himself, one of which is the Law of Non-Contradiction. Logic demands that if the Catholic Church IS in fact that one historic Church founded by Jesus Christ himself in 33 A.D., then your chosen recently-invented, man-made non-Catholic sect CANNOT be Christ's one historic Church. And if it is not Christ's one historic Church, it must instead be nothing more than a man-made, merely human entity whose teachings can never be raised above the level of mere human opinion.
Gaudium de veritate,
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That is a mighty big if that is frequently asserted by you but never proven. So, you, an unordained member of your chosen sect of Christianity, what gives you the right to judge another's faith and proclaim it to be wrong?
glassjester
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We're talking in circles. If Scripture was perspicuous, there could be no contradictory doctrine amongst the sola-scriptura denominations.
Scripture thoroughly equips a man of God for every good work. Surely Lutherans, while holding to sola scriptura, consider infant baptism to be a good work. Therefore, Scripture must have equipped them for it.
Yet, Scripture did not equip you for that particular work. So how did the Lutherans get it wrong? Or how did you? Did the Lutherans read their Bible wrong? If that's possible to do, then how did you learn to read it "right"?
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You live in a fantasy world where all RC's believe the same thing. You need to get out of that abomination and come to know the Lord Jesus Christ according to the revelation of the mystery.
glassjester
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Disagreement between individual Catholics does not falsify any authoritative teaching of the Catholic Church.
In fact, it's for this very reason that we need the Church as a teaching authority.
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No and No.
The Romanists have no authority and never did. They are Israel wannabees (the unbelieving Israel, like the one Jesus called vipers).
If you want to know the truth, you are going to have to get out of that viper pit and get into the Word of God.
The truth is that Peter and the eleven were to lead Israel into the kingdom, but Israel refused.
But God had another program that He kept secret since the world began (as opposed to Peter's message about things 'spoken of since the world began').
This is why God raised up Paul and revealed these things to him.
Someday, this dispensation of the grace of God will come to an end and Jesus will return to judge the world and restore Israel to her place as the head of the nations.
It's all clearly written in the pages of scripture.
glassjester
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So the Church Christ founded on Peter failed?
glassjester
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And all readers of Scripture agree on this because it is completely perspicuous.
...Right?
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No, it has been put on hold while God shows us something ELSE that He did NOT make known before. It's right there in the Bible.
I realize that your preferences and indoctrination will make this very difficult for you, but the Bible is not a hard book to understand. God is very clear about His plans and they're in the book.
Luk 1:67-79 KJV And his father Zacharias was filled with the Holy Ghost, and prophesied, saying, (68) Blessed be the Lord God of Israel; for he hath visited and redeemed his people, (69) And hath raised up an horn of salvation for us in the house of his servant David; (70) As he spake by the mouth of his holy prophets, which have been since the world began: (71) That we should be saved from our enemies, and from the hand of all that hate us; (72) To perform the mercy promised to our fathers, and to remember his holy covenant; (73) The oath which he sware to our father Abraham, (74) That he would grant unto us, that we being delivered out of the hand of our enemies might serve him without fear, (75) In holiness and righteousness before him, all the days of our life. (76) And thou, child, shalt be called the prophet of the Highest: for thou shalt go before the face of the Lord to prepare his ways; (77) To give knowledge of salvation unto his people by the remission of their sins, (78) Through the tender mercy of our God; whereby the dayspring from on high hath visited us, (79) To give light to them that sit in darkness and in the shadow of death, to guide our feet into the way of peace.
Act 3:19-21 KJV Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord; (20) And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you: (21) Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.
Rom 16:25-27 KJV Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began, (26) But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith: (27) To God only wise, be glory through Jesus Christ for ever. Amen.
It really is an obvious and simple fact that something 'spoken of since the world began' and something 'kept secret since the world began' CANNOT be the SAME thing.Act 3:19-21 KJV Repent ye therefore, and be converted, that your sins may be blotted out, when the times of refreshing shall come from the presence of the Lord; (20) And he shall send Jesus Christ, which before was preached unto you: (21) Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.
Rom 16:25-27 KJV Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, which was kept secret since the world began, (26) But now is made manifest, and by the scriptures of the prophets, according to the commandment of the everlasting God, made known to all nations for the obedience of faith: (27) To God only wise, be glory through Jesus Christ for ever. Amen.
It's so simple that even a child can understand it.
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Just because people disagree does NOT make it less clear.
It's called SPIRITUAL BLINDNESS!
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I've objectively demonstrated it from both ecclesiastical history and Divine Revelation, while also showing why your recently-invented, man-made non-Catholic sect cannot qualify as Christ's one historic Church. What other "proof" would convince you?
Already answered. If you disagree, then by all means post your proof that your chosen recently-invented, man-made non-Catholic sect---and not the Catholic Church---IS in fact that one historic Church founded by Jesus Christ himself in 33 A.D. We eagerly await your proof.
Gaudium de veritate,
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Posting Catholic documents stating that the RCC is The One is far from objective. Very far.
Wherever two or three are gathered in my name, there I am in the midst of them.
It was not given to your sect to judge the faith of others. So tell us, why do you, a layman in the RCC without any authority within your own church, lay claim to judging the faith of others?
heir
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No need to follow Peter as the "Catholics" claim to do by following a man around who looks like a member of the Ku Klux Klan when we have direct orders TO us (Romans 11:13 KJV, 1 Corinthians 14:37 KJV) to follow the apostle Paul! (1 Corinthians 4:15-16 KJV)! Your religion is a hijacking of that which was written TO Israel as that is who the Lord and the twelve apostles were sent to in Matthew, Mark, Luke and John (Matthew 10:5-6 KJV, Matthew 15:22-24 KJV, Romans 15:8 KJV). That's not us (Ephesians 2:11-12 KJV, Ephesians 3:1 KJV)!
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Cruciform
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I've posted lists of biblical texts and biblically-based arguments, quotations from the first several centuries of the early Christian Church, etc. Again: What other "proof" would convince you?
Yes, wherever two or three Christians---baptized members of Christ's one historic Church (Ac. 2:38; Lk. 10:16; Ac. 16:4; 2 Thess. 3:4; 1 Tim. 3:15; 1 Jn. 4:6)---gather together in prayer, Christ will be with them.
Nope. Try again. As has already been posted elsewhere:
CM apparently cannot mentally grasp the fact that the Catholic Church is neither "man-made" (since, having been founded by Jesus Christ himself, it was not established by any mere man), nor a "sect" (since, as the original Church founded by Jesus Christ, it cannot possibly have broken away from any previous church). Thus, CM's terminology here is fundamentally irrational and essentially meaningless, somewhat like referring to a "married bachelor" or a "purple idea."
(You just insist on displaying yourself as hopelessly ignorant.)
Your claim that Christ's one historic Church---and therefore Christ himself (Lk. 10:16; 1 Tim. 3:15)---lacks the doctrinal authority to determine true from false "churches" and teachings is noted.
Gaudium de veritate,
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