glorydaz
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As if it was perfectly planned from the beginning.
What say you? Is the Bride the same as the body of Christ?
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glorydaz
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Yes, I see.
ttruscott
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No one was taken. Those who left, left by their own free will.
The Satanic left Him by putting their faith in the idea that since YHWH could not be better than themselves that HE must be a liar and a false god driven by an evil psychosis of megalomania, thus sinning the unforgivable sin, fit only to be condemned in the judgement of hell, Deuteronomy 32:5.
The others who became HIS elect (His sheep, His good seed, His legitimate sons) by putting their faith in HIM as their one true GOD and Saviour from a sin, left Christ by their own free will rebellion against the command of GOD to come out for among their now Satanic friends and touch not their unclean ideas so that their love for a now demonic person would not harm them when the demons were judged, Matt 13:27-30, but they would not, making themselves sinners, ie, sheep gone astray, sinful good seed and prodigal sons, their free will enslaved to sin until their rebirth.
All sinners, ie, those now either eternally or temporarily outside of Christ were sent to earth, Matt 13:36-30, to live predestined lives for the purpose of the redemption and sanctification of the sinful elect which allows the postponement of the judgement to end and the marriage to the Lamb to begin. ImhCo...
ttruscott
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Well, ummm, I just don't think anyone but Christ had to enter death for the salvation of Eve et al.
Another set of metaphors to ponder:
In Satan all the reprobate, those condemned already for the unforgivable sin, Jn 3:18, the people of the evil one on earth, aka the goats, are summed up...ie, they are (in) Satan.
Eve sums up all the elect who refused to reject their friends who chose to sin the unforgivable sin and become Satanic, rebelling against their being condemned out of love for them because they believe love could not be evil, that the GOD of love should never condemn anyone to hell as too harsh a sentence for HIS child, etc, etc. This is exemplified by her treating the serpent with the respect due to a mentor or a pastor. Such love was in her eyes without shame.
Adam then, sums up all those elect whose faith in Christ failed when their loved ones, the Eves, became evil and rather than trust them to GOD's tender mercies, followed them into sin to share their experience and to try to support them thru it, becoming evil themselves out of love for others so felt no shame.
Because I believe they were also real people, the metaphor does not express a parable but a type, real people representing by their lives whole groups of people.
Right, but there would have been no Christ in the flesh to die unless Adam ate of the fruit also after Eve did.
Adam would not have been kicked from the garden if he had not eaten of the fruit also and Eve would have been alone without Adam to have any descendants with.
Interesting.
There could be several layers of meaning found in the story, all pointing to the need of Christ.
Can God put a plan together, or what!As if it was perfectly planned from the beginning.
glorydaz
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And here we are still trying to figure it out.
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It can change the meaning of passages for you if you understand the Church to be the bride of Christ, because then all that is written about the Body of Christ, the Church, and the Bride of Christ, are all talking about the same thing. That's a big change in how you read the Scripture, obviously.
1Mind1Spirit
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Maybe seeing the doctrinal teaching that had you thinkin' there was a difference wasn't all on the up and up?
1Mind1Spirit
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Here a little there a little...
19But Joseph replied, “Do not be afraid. Am I in the place of God?
20As for you, what you intended against me for evil, God intended for good, in order to accomplish a day like this— to preserve the lives of many people.
21Therefore do not be afraid. I will provide for you and your little ones.” So Joseph reassured his brothers and spoke kindly to them.…
glorydaz
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Could be. I can't remember to tell you the truth.
Never stop trying to figure it out.
But for the most part no one had it figured out, even when Christ went to the cross and resurrected they were still confussed.
Most of the prophetic statements were not figured out until after it happened and had hindsight of the events.
I suspect a lot will be the same problem of being a mystery until it all happens.
But one thing we can be certain of is that God already has it all planned to work out.
glorydaz
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Well, I'm seriously rethinking it again.
Excellent!
Additional information may come to light, so never stop rethinking.
glorydaz
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Well, if anything pops into your head, you better tell me.
A popular turn of phrase among MAD is to pay attention who is being spoken to.Well, if anything pops into your head, you better tell me.
With that in mind, consider how this starts out in verse 4, and then when reading the following verses use a concordance to check out the cross reference verses it gives for each of the verses.
Romans 15:4-12 ESV
(4) For whatever was written in former days was written for our instruction, that through endurance and through the encouragement of the Scriptures we might have hope.
(5) May the God of endurance and encouragement grant you to live in such harmony with one another, in accord with Christ Jesus,
(6) that together you may with one voice glorify the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.
(7) Therefore welcome one another as Christ has welcomed you, for the glory of God.
(8) For I tell you that Christ became a servant to the circumcised to show God's truthfulness, in order to confirm the promises given to the patriarchs,
(9) and in order that the Gentiles might glorify God for his mercy. As it is written, “Therefore I will praise you among the Gentiles, and sing to your name.”
(10) And again it is said, “Rejoice, O Gentiles, with his people.”
(11) And again, “Praise the Lord, all you Gentiles, and let all the peoples extol him.”
(12) And again Isaiah says, “The root of Jesse will come, even he who arises to rule the Gentiles; in him will the Gentiles hope.”
Paul is fulfilling what God wanted all along for Israel to be ---- a light unto the whole world to seek Him and be their God.
Paul, an Israelite himself, was a remnant believer of Israel.
Romans 11:1-5 ESV
(1) I ask, then, has God rejected his people? By no means! For I myself am an Israelite, a descendant of Abraham, a member of the tribe of Benjamin.
(2) God has not rejected his people whom he foreknew. Do you not know what the Scripture says of Elijah, how he appeals to God against Israel?
(3) “Lord, they have killed your prophets, they have demolished your altars, and I alone am left, and they seek my life.”
(4) But what is God's reply to him? “I have kept for myself seven thousand men who have not bowed the knee to Baal.”
(5) So too at the present time there is a remnant, chosen by grace.
glorydaz
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Alright, thanks to you I stayed up half the night reading the OT, and don't think I missed the message of your choice of verses.
I came up with this: Israel is the Bride. Can't be anything else.
I am not so sure. John the Baptist was not a born-again Christian. He was not part of the New Testament Church. But he was born a Jew.
John the Baptist was not part of the Bride, he was a friend of the Bridegroom.