What is Jesus saying here?

[Derf]

God communicated it perfectly, to those who care to know, and are willing to listen.
Do you know what salvation is, apart from reading the Bible? No, you don't.
In fact, most words used in the Bible can only be defined by the Bible.

If that were true, then

Adam would not have understood God
Noah would not have understood God
Abraham would not have understood God

And
The Bible, once it was written, wasn’t written in Hebrew and Greek, according to your position.

Rather, we know God spoke to people in the language they understood—even before the Bible was written. Thus, when they rejected His message, it was their fault, not God’s because He didn’t know how to communicate with them.

 

[OZOS]

If that were true, then

Adam would not have understood God
Noah would not have understood God
Abraham would not have understood God

You're not very bright are you? Because then you say...

we know God spoke to people in the language they understood—even before the Bible was written. Thus, when they rejected His message, it was their fault, not God’s because He didn’t know how to communicate with them.

I said... "God communicated it perfectly, to those who care to know, and are willing to listen." Times past.
In times present, "Do you know what salvation is, apart from reading the Bible? No, you don't."

Why? Because God is not speaking to you personally, apart from what He has already spoken in His word.

"For whatever things were written before were written for our learning, that we through the patience and comfort of the Scriptures might have hope."
"All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work."

Therefore... "most words used in the Bible can only be defined by the Bible."

 

[marke]

I sure do get tired of this FALSE doctrine.

God CANNOT "lay His deity aside". The idea is completely absurd and illogical.

Jesus left heaven to come to earth as a man. As a man He did not possess all that God possessed in heaven. There were things that Jesus had to learn as a man. God never had to learn anything.

Hebrews 5:8
Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;

 

[Right Divider]

Jesus left heaven to come to earth as a man.

Yes, God in the flesh.... GOD in the flesh.

As a man He did not possess all that God possessed in heaven.

So He was not FULLY GOD?

There were things that Jesus had to learn as a man. God never had to learn anything.

So Jesus was not FULLY GOD?

Hebrews 5:8
Though he were a Son, yet learned he obedience by the things which he suffered;

SO Jesus was NOT FULLY GOD?

You are speaking heresy if you are claiming that Jesus was NOT FULLY GOD!

Col 2:9 KJV For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.

The "learning obedience" was not about His DEITY, but about His humanity.

 

[marke]

Yes, God in the flesh.... GOD in the flesh.

So He was not FULLY GOD?

So Jesus was not FULLY GOD?

SO Jesus was NOT FULLY GOD?

You are speaking heresy if you are claiming that Jesus was NOT FULLY GOD!

The "learning obedience" was not about His DEITY, but about His humanity.

Jesus is God and was always God, but Jesus became man, something that God the Father did not do.

Mark 13:32
But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.

 

[Right Divider]

Jesus is God and was always God, but Jesus became man, something that God the Father did not do.

Irrelevant to your claim that Jesus was "not fully God".

Mark 13:32
But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.

AGAIN... with regards to His HUMANITY and NOT His DEITY.

God cannot be "not fully God".

 

[marke]

Irrelevant to your claim that Jesus was "not fully God".

AGAIN... with regards to His HUMANITY and NOT His DEITY.

God cannot be "not fully God".

I believe Jesus was always fully God, even though he took upon Himself as man certain characteristics which were never true about God the Father.

 

[Right Divider]

I believe Jesus was always fully God, even though he took upon Himself as man certain characteristics which were never true about God the Father.

Duh.... The Word was God and Word was made flesh.

So are you now retracting your comment that Jesus "laid His deity aside"?

 

[marke]

Duh.... The Word was God and Word was made flesh.

So are you now retracting your comment that Jesus "laid His deity aside"?

Yes. I see the wording is confusing to some. So, I am now saying that Jesus left heaven to become a man and took upon Himself certain characteristics which are not true about God the Father.

 

[Right Divider]

Yes. I see the wording is confusing to some.

It's not confusing. It's completely clear and incorrect.

So, I am now saying that Jesus left heaven to become a man and took upon Himself certain characteristics which are not true about God the Father.

But Jesus is still fully God and did not "laid His deity aside".

So are you now retracting that comment?

 

[Derf]

You're not very bright are you? Because then you say...


I said... "God communicated it perfectly, to those who care to know, and are willing to listen." Times past.
In times present, "Do you know what salvation is, apart from reading the Bible? No, you don't."

Why? Because God is not speaking to you personally, apart from what He has already spoken in His word.

"For whatever things were written before were written for our learning, that we through the patience and comfort of the Scriptures might have hope."
"All Scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, thoroughly equipped for every good work."

Therefore... "most words used in the Bible can only be defined by the Bible."

I’ve found that those who aren’t very bright tend to think of other people as not very bright when they disagree with them. Just saying...

Nevertheless, When someone translates the Bible into a new language, how do they decide which words to use? Obviously they start with the words of the Bible in the original language, but then what?

 

[marke]

It's not confusing. It's completely clear and incorrect.

But Jesus is still fully God and did not "laid His deity aside".

So are you now retracting that comment?

Yes. I will no longer use the phrase "Jesus laid His deity aside." Thanks for your help.

 

[OZOS]

But Jesus is still fully God and did not "laid His deity aside".

"For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form"

Yes. I see the wording is confusing to some. So, I am now saying that Jesus left heaven to become a man and took upon Himself certain characteristics which are not true about God the Father.

I went through this with you, and it's still the same. God cannot be separated from God. God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself. You cannot say that God was not in Christ when the world was being reconciled.

 

[marke]

"For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form"


I went through this with you, and it's still the same. God cannot be separated from God. God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself. You cannot say that God was not in Christ when the world was being reconciled.

I don't believe humans can comprehend the Godhead like they may think they can. For example, how did God abandon God on the cross, unless there were distinctions of some kind between God the Father and God the Son?

Psalm 22:1
My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? why art thou so far from helping me, and from the words of my roaring?

 

[OZOS]

I don't believe humans can comprehend the Godhead like they may think they can. For example, how did God abandon God on the cross, unless there were distinctions of some kind between God the Father and God the Son?

Psalm 22:1
My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? why art thou so far from helping me, and from the words of my roaring?

I don't believe you can, because you either choose to not know and understand the things of God, or you really do not know God.