The self-existent God says of Himself that He was alive, and was dead, and is now alive forevermore. Was God in heaven while Jesus was dead? Yes. God the Father did not die on the cross, God the Son did. Is it possible that God has seen the end from the beginning and that current time for Him can be said to be similar to God watching a movie He has already watched?
What is Jesus saying here?
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OZOS
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The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit (God) was in Christ when Christ died on the cross.
Stop recreating God's word.
God is not that simple as to be explained in human terms. God the Father and God the Son were separated when Jesus was on the cross. I cannot explain how but I do know why.
OZOS
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Stop making things up, just because YOU don't understand. They were not separated. Have you actually ever read the Bible?
Jesus prayed, "Why hast thou forsaken me?" If God did not forsake Jesus in some way then why the question?
OZOS
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This tells me you don't understand who Jesus is, or why He said that.
Are you an Arminian?
Which makes no sense whatsoever.
God remembers the past, because He is in the present, and is looking forward to the future.
How about in Biblical terms?
I'm gonna have to side with marke on this one, at least on this part.
Otherwise, why did Christ say "Eli, Eli, Lama sabachthani"? ("My God, My God, Why have you forsaken me?")
Christ being separated from the Father at His death on the Cross is rather foundational to the entirety of Christianity...
God created all things by Himself (Isaiah 44:24)
God created all things by Jesus Christ (Ephesians 3:9)
God created all things by the Word of God (Hebrews 11:3)
God's Word was made flesh and dwelt among us (John 1:14)
Jesus created all things for His own pleasure (Col. 1:16 & Rev. 4:4)
Jesus is God and God is the Father so they are One God but with distinctions which are unique to one and not the other. The Holy Spirit is also God and forms the third member of the Triune Godhead.
OZOS
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Experiencing separation and being separated are two completely different things. For some reason, it appears that, the vast majority of people who claim Christ, have no idea who He is. We cannot both conclude that He is God, and then also claim that He is not God. We cannot say that God ceased being God when God was in Christ reconciling the world to Himself, as the Calvinist does. God tasted death, for every man.
Again, as I've revealed many times now, Jesus divested Himself of the knowledge of who He is, in His humanity, and submitted Himself solely to the Father's care. His experience was always one of living by faith in complete trust of what His Father was doing. As man's representative, Jesus obeyed to the point of death, and in His body, He experienced separation, yet never ceasing to be who He is, God in the flesh. His entire life, Jesus experienced uninterrupted communion with the Father, which He was always fully aware, and at the moment He took upon Himself the sins of all men, He experienced the loss of that communion, and He cried out "My God, My God, Why have you forsaken me?". Jesus never ceased being who He is, or as the ignorant claim "the God part left the man part", but the communion ceased, and Jesus experienced that loss. It's not complicated, but the idea that God was literally separated from God is foolishness.
You said the following:
"God is not that simple as to be explained in human terms."
Yet you, being a human, just explained, in human terms, a few aspects of God.
Are you not contradicting yourself?
No. I believe Jesus and God are one God but separate. How? I cannot explain it.
Derf
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Maybe it’s your definition of death that’s causing confusion. Maybe Jesus just died.
OZOS
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My definition is God's definition. God died on the cross, or no man is saved.
Right Divider
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I sure do get tired of this FALSE doctrine.
God CANNOT "lay His deity aside". The idea is completely absurd and illogical.
Derf
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Is it? Did God give a definition of “death” in the Bible, or just to you?
OZOS
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In the Bible. But, like many other words, you have to read the whole Bible to understand the definitions.
Derf
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Because God doesn’t know how to communicate in the language of the people He made?
OZOS
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God communicated it perfectly, to those who care to know, and are willing to listen.
Do you know what salvation is, apart from reading the Bible? No, you don't.
In fact, most words used in the Bible can only be defined by the Bible.