Guyver? Is that really you?
Wow, I'm so happy to see you back again.:cheers:
And you're exactly correct with your response. :e4e:
I wanna thank ya.
Guyver? Is that really you?
Wow, I'm so happy to see you back again.:cheers:
And you're exactly correct with your response. :e4e:
So: you have perfect complete knowledge of The Lord?!? Sorry, but that isn't possible in a body of flesh. Flesh and blood cannot even comprehend The Lord. Please guess again.On the contrary...
Love never fails. But whether there are prophecies, they will fail; whether there are tongues, they will cease; whether there is knowledge, it will vanish away.For we know in part and we prophesy in part.But when that which is perfect has come, then that which is in part will be done away. - 1 Corinthians 13:8-10 http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1Corinthians13:8-10&version=NKJV
The word used for "perfect" here means "complete" or "mature."
Sorry, God retains His Mystery until He will reveal what's left of it. As He said:It's at this point that it's as if Paul remembers what his original line of thought was, and gets back to speaking about the sign gifts in verse 8.
Prophecy will fail in various ways.
Tongues will cease.
The gift of knowledge will vanish away.
Whereas special knowledge was provided by the Spirit, that need passed away when the mystery was fully revealed and recorded in the New Testament.
Scripture doesn't say, "Special Knowledge," unless you have an ALL MYSTERIES REVEALED BIBLE, that I've never heard of. It says Knowledge. We won't need knowledge any more, because when we're perfected in glorified bodies: we will see Him Face-to-face.The mystery is Paul's gospel, that we no longer are required to keep the law, but all we need to do is believe, and we are saved. When that mystery was fully revealed and recorded in the NT, that is when the need for special knowledge passed away.
There is also such a thing as 'Poverty Preaching' which (IMHO) is ignorant. God wants us to prosper. I want to prosper. If you don't: that's fine with me.There is such a thing as prosperity preaching, but it's based on man's own selfish greed. Attempting to make God a partner in his greed is at best childish.
So: you have perfect complete knowledge of The Lord?!?
Sorry, but that isn't possible in a body of flesh. Flesh and blood cannot even comprehend The Lord. Please guess again.
Sorry, God retains His Mystery until He will reveal what's left of it.
As He said:
But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.
We're NOT in those days yet. Looks like you need to do some studying. Your 'dispensation' heresy doesn't hold water.
Scripture doesn't say, "Special Knowledge,"
unless you have an ALL MYSTERIES REVEALED BIBLE, that I've never heard of.
It says Knowledge. We won't need knowledge any more,
because when we're perfected in glorified bodies: we will see Him Face-to-face.
I'm still not buying your 'dispensation' garbage. It just doesn't fit with The Holy Scriptures.
Logically, he would have to be; for all prophesying to be done away with knowledge would have to be perfect: that is to say we would have to know all mysteries and neither has occurred yet.Not what I said.
I said that we have complete knowledge of the mystery that is Paul's Gospel, which is what he was talking about in 1 Corinthians.
Paul wasn't talking about all knowledge.
Yes, but in order for ALL knowledge to be done away with ALL mystery must first be revealed; as I've stated several times, the Seventh Angel has not yet begun to sound. Mystery remains.God has already revealed the mystery of the gospel of grace.
You may not know this but each of us are Living Epistles.Or do you think that we should still be adding to the Bible, because that hasn't been fully revealed yet?
You're reaching. This is NOT what Scripture says, implies or even infers. This is what happens when you take things out of context, and when you ignore portions of my argument.Or, consider that there can be multiple mysteries in the Bible, and that when it says that when one of them is fully revealed, it doesn't automatically mean that all mysteries are revealed. A novel concept, I know.
Presumption. I see that He said perfect. NOTHING we have is perfect (yet). When that which IS perfect is come, prophecy WILL cease. Knowledge will no longer be needed.I never said "all mysteries." Neither did Paul.
I said that the mystery of the gospel of the grace of God was fully revealed, and that THAT is what Paul is talking about in 1 Corinthians.
There will be knowing, since we will be LIKE Him, seeing Him Face-to-face and having perfect knowledge of Him Whom we see. Perfect knowledge. Prophecy will not be necessary when all of us can see the future that God sees. Perfect future-vision, as He has will be part of our perfection, when we're in glorified bodies.We won't? We won't need any knowledge at all?
Just to be clear: do you believe that there will be poor people on this earth when Jesus is on the throne during His Millennial Reign? I don't. I believe that money won't be necessary and that everyone under His rule will give without seeking payment, provide shelter, healing, goods, services; whatever their talent is will be put to best use for The Kingdom of Heaven, right here on earth.No one was arguing that we should be poor.
We were arguing that there will always be poor among us.
Logically, he would have to be; for all prophesying to be done away with knowledge would have to be perfect: that is to say we would have to know all mysteries and neither has occurred yet.
Yes, but in order for ALL knowledge to be done away with
ALL mystery must first be revealed;
as I've stated several times, the Seventh Angel has not yet begun to sound. Mystery remains.
You may not know this but each of us are Living Epistles.
You're reaching.
This is NOT what Scripture says, implies or even infers. This is what happens when you take things out of context, and when you ignore portions of my argument.
Presumption. I see that He
said perfect. NOTHING we have is perfect (yet). When that which IS perfect is come, prophecy WILL cease. Knowledge will no longer be needed.
There will be knowing, since we will be LIKE Him, seeing Him Face-to-face and having perfect knowledge of Him Whom we see.
Perfect knowledge. Prophecy will not be necessary when all of us can see the future that God sees.
Strong's h5016 - Lexical: נְבוּאָה - Transliteration: nebuah - Part of Speech: Noun Feminine - Phonetic Spelling: neb-oo-aw' - Definition: prophecy. - Origin: From naba'; a prediction (spoken or written). - Usage: prophecy. - Translated as (count): and the prophecy (1), the prophecy (1), this prophecy (1). |
Strong's g4394 - Lexical: προφητεία - Transliteration: prophéteia - Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine - Phonetic Spelling: prof-ay-ti'-ah - Definition: prophecy, prophesying; the gift of communicating and enforcing revealed truth. - Origin: From prophetes ("prophecy"); prediction (scriptural or other). - Usage: prophecy, prophesying. - Translated as (count): prophecy (15), prophecies (2), of prophecy (1), prophesies (1). |
Perfect future-vision, as He has will be part of our perfection, when we're in glorified bodies.
It isn’t real? It doesn’t work? People don’t do the works of Jesus, or the works that Jesus said believers would do because they can’t do them. If they could, they would clear out the children’s hospital by instant healings, the whole world would see it and then become Christian. That doesn’t happen because Christians can’t do it.
If they could, they would clear out the children’s hospital by instant healings, the whole world would see it and then become Christian. That doesn’t happen because Christians can’t do it.
is true then I ask, why didn't the whole world become followers of Jesus Christ in the time of his earthly ministry? For that matter, since Jesus Christ did do many healings, miracles, casting out devil spirits, and raising the dead to life again, why hasn't the entire world become Christian?)the whole world would see it and then become Christian.
Guyver? Is that really you?
Wow, I'm so happy to see you back again.:cheers:
And you're exactly correct with your response. :e4e:
You might want to read what I replied to his post.
And you might want to read what Aimiel and I have been discussing.You might want to read what I replied to his post.
We're still talking about 1 Corinthians 13:8-10, in which Paul is speaking of sign gifts.
Hence why I said, "gift of knowledge" and "special knowledge," and why I challenged you on your claim that "knowledge" will pass away.
But Paul wasn't saying that mysteries would pass away in chapter 13. He's saying that sign gifts will pass away when "that which is perfect has come." "That which is perfect" ("that which is complete") refers to the ENTIRETY of Paul's gospel, and considering that Paul lived for another 12 years after He wrote 1 Corinthians, and was still learning things throughout the rest of his life. Paul wrote 2 Timothy between 64 and 66 AD, which is when he was martyred, so we can consider his gospel to be complete by that point.
Well, you be wrong and Guyver be right.
Those healings you speak of were for a particular time and a particular reason.
Just like the manna from heaven was for a particular time and a particular reason.
??a particular time and a particular reason.
And you might want to read what Aimiel and I have been discussing.
Well, I am not interested because you are not one of those who believe on Jesus Christ.
John 14:12
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.
clearly,, you do not desire to believe on him.
I get that. I don't always want to do what God wants me to do.
So what, that does not negate God's will nor the words of Jesus Christ who as a prophet for God spoke what God told him to speak
Entertaining argument, but based on what?
Well, have you actually read John 14:12?
John 14:12
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.
Who are the people who are going to do the works?
Who taught you such stuff?
Well, I am not interested because you are not one of those who believe on Jesus Christ.
John 14:12
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall he do also; and greater works than these shall he do; because I go unto my Father.
clearly,, you do not desire to believe on him.
I get that. I don't always want to do what God wants me to do.
So what, that does not negate God's will nor the words of Jesus Christ who as a prophet for God spoke what God told him to speak
Oh, so you claim to know my heart, then, huh?
:blabla:
Go read my post, then reply to it.
I have.
Guess you didn't notice that He was speaking to the Disciples at the Last Supper. :think:
I studied it out for myself.
Try and read your Bible like it's a Book..not just a bunch of discombobulated verses stuck hither and yon.
Gee Oats, you're the one who doesn't believe. You consider our Lord Jesus Christ to be merely a man. You really shouldn't be lecturing believers, you should be listening to them.
And if you're lonesome, I understand, but you don't have to do this to get attention.
merely a man