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1. “Grace means that God does something for me; law means that I do something for God. God has certain holy and righteous demands which he places upon me: that is law. Now if law means that God requires something of me for their fulfillment, then deliverance from law means he no longer requires that from me, but himself provides it.”
Luk 12:47 And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.
Luk 12:48 But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.
2. “So we can say, reverently, that God never gave us the Law to keep: he gave us the Law to break! He well knew that we could not keep it.”
Christ sacrifice was for those who loved God and kept His law but transgressed in some way.
Rom 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
3. “The Law requires much, but offers no help in the carrying out of its requirements. The Lord Jesus requires just as much, yea even more (Matt. 5:21-48), but what he requires from us he himself carries out in us. The law makes demands and leaves us helpless to fulfill them; Christ makes demands, but he himself fulfills in us the very demands he makes.”
God never spoke like the carnal man thinks he did, when He gave the law.
Exo 20:6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
4. “What does it mean in everyday life to be delivered from the Law? At risk of a little overstatement I reply: It means that henceforth I am going to do nothing whatever for God; I am never again going to try to please Him. ‘What a doctrine!’ you exclaim. ‘What awful heresy! You cannot possibly mean that!’ But remember, if I try to please God ‘in the flesh,’ then immediately I place myself under the Law.”
Nee likely means by self effort without living in Gods Grace.
5. “God’s requirements have not altered, but we are not the ones to meet them. Praise God, he is the Lawgiver on the Throne, and he is the Lawkeeper in my heart. He who gave the Law, himself keeps it.”
Untrue. It is to the Glory of God that men are made righteous, and not just accounted to be righteous.
The Father of Jesus gave the law, His Son Jesus kept the Spirit of it.
Mat 12:2 But when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto him, Behold, thy disciples do that which is not lawful to do upon the sabbath day.
Mat 12:3 But he said unto them, Have ye not read what David did, when he was an hungred, and they that were with him;
Mat 12:4 How he entered into the house of God, and did eat the shewbread, which was not lawful for him to eat, neither for them which were with him, but only for the priests?
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6. “Though the Law in itself is all right, it will be all wrong if it is applied to the wrong person. The ‘wretched man’ of Romans 7 tried to meet the claims of God’s law himself, and that was the cause of his trouble. The repeated use of the word ‘I’ in this chapter gives the clue to the failure.”
Untrue.
It was when Paul did good that evil was present with him because he at that stage was a coveter. That is he wanted some glory for himself, and the Spirit of Gods law convicted him. In other words God spoke to him about it.
7. “We think of the Christian life as a ‘changed life’ but it is not that. What God offers us is an ‘exchanged life,’ a ‘substituted life,’ and Christ is our Substitute within.”
That may be true when we are babes but He wants us to grow up.
The Christians can be heard all over the world crying out about why the milk has been cut off, but the preachers are mainly babies themselves.
8. “From start to finish, he is the One who does it all.”
No. Jesus is the one who has made it possible that God can have sons like the first son.
9. “It does not matter what your personal deficiency, or whether it be a hundred and one different things, God has always one sufficient answer, His Son Jesus Christ, and he is the answer to every need.”
10. “Many Christians endeavor to drive themselves by will-power, and then think the Christian life a most exhausting and bitter one.”
11. “God must bring us to a point – I cannot tell you how it will be, but he will do it – where, through a deep and dark experience, our natural power is touched and fundamentally weakened, so that we no longer dare trust ourselves… At length there comes a time when we no longer ‘like’ to do Christian work – indeed we almost dread to do things in the Lord’s Name. But then at last it is that he can begin to use us.”
I knew when reading where he was heading, but the faith is not that Jesus does everything, but that through Jesus, God lives with us enabling ourselves to become as Jesus was and is.
12. “We have spoken of trying and trusting, and the difference between the two. Believe me, it is the difference between heaven and hell.”
Is that where it came from, that if something is not from God then it must be the devil?
There are so many believers in the world who will do nothing because they are afraid they will offend the Lord.
It is not all about either Him OR us, it is about Him in/with/upon us.
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1. “Grace means that God does something for me; law means that I do something for God. God has certain holy and righteous demands which he places upon me: that is law. Now if law means that God requires something of me for their fulfillment, then deliverance from law means he no longer requires that from me, but himself provides it.”
Luk 12:47 And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes.
Luk 12:48 But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more.
2. “So we can say, reverently, that God never gave us the Law to keep: he gave us the Law to break! He well knew that we could not keep it.”
Christ sacrifice was for those who loved God and kept His law but transgressed in some way.
Rom 7:12 Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
3. “The Law requires much, but offers no help in the carrying out of its requirements. The Lord Jesus requires just as much, yea even more (Matt. 5:21-48), but what he requires from us he himself carries out in us. The law makes demands and leaves us helpless to fulfill them; Christ makes demands, but he himself fulfills in us the very demands he makes.”
God never spoke like the carnal man thinks he did, when He gave the law.
Exo 20:6 And shewing mercy unto thousands of them that love me, and keep my commandments.
4. “What does it mean in everyday life to be delivered from the Law? At risk of a little overstatement I reply: It means that henceforth I am going to do nothing whatever for God; I am never again going to try to please Him. ‘What a doctrine!’ you exclaim. ‘What awful heresy! You cannot possibly mean that!’ But remember, if I try to please God ‘in the flesh,’ then immediately I place myself under the Law.”
Nee likely means by self effort without living in Gods Grace.
5. “God’s requirements have not altered, but we are not the ones to meet them. Praise God, he is the Lawgiver on the Throne, and he is the Lawkeeper in my heart. He who gave the Law, himself keeps it.”
Untrue. It is to the Glory of God that men are made righteous, and not just accounted to be righteous.
The Father of Jesus gave the law, His Son Jesus kept the Spirit of it.
Mat 12:2 But when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto him, Behold, thy disciples do that which is not lawful to do upon the sabbath day.
Mat 12:3 But he said unto them, Have ye not read what David did, when he was an hungred, and they that were with him;
Mat 12:4 How he entered into the house of God, and did eat the shewbread, which was not lawful for him to eat, neither for them which were with him, but only for the priests?
I
6. “Though the Law in itself is all right, it will be all wrong if it is applied to the wrong person. The ‘wretched man’ of Romans 7 tried to meet the claims of God’s law himself, and that was the cause of his trouble. The repeated use of the word ‘I’ in this chapter gives the clue to the failure.”
Untrue.
It was when Paul did good that evil was present with him because he at that stage was a coveter. That is he wanted some glory for himself, and the Spirit of Gods law convicted him. In other words God spoke to him about it.
7. “We think of the Christian life as a ‘changed life’ but it is not that. What God offers us is an ‘exchanged life,’ a ‘substituted life,’ and Christ is our Substitute within.”
That may be true when we are babes but He wants us to grow up.
The Christians can be heard all over the world crying out about why the milk has been cut off, but the preachers are mainly babies themselves.
8. “From start to finish, he is the One who does it all.”
No. Jesus is the one who has made it possible that God can have sons like the first son.
9. “It does not matter what your personal deficiency, or whether it be a hundred and one different things, God has always one sufficient answer, His Son Jesus Christ, and he is the answer to every need.”
10. “Many Christians endeavor to drive themselves by will-power, and then think the Christian life a most exhausting and bitter one.”
11. “God must bring us to a point – I cannot tell you how it will be, but he will do it – where, through a deep and dark experience, our natural power is touched and fundamentally weakened, so that we no longer dare trust ourselves… At length there comes a time when we no longer ‘like’ to do Christian work – indeed we almost dread to do things in the Lord’s Name. But then at last it is that he can begin to use us.”
I knew when reading where he was heading, but the faith is not that Jesus does everything, but that through Jesus, God lives with us enabling ourselves to become as Jesus was and is.
12. “We have spoken of trying and trusting, and the difference between the two. Believe me, it is the difference between heaven and hell.”
Is that where it came from, that if something is not from God then it must be the devil?
There are so many believers in the world who will do nothing because they are afraid they will offend the Lord.
It is not all about either Him OR us, it is about Him in/with/upon us.
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If you want to attribute my faith to some group or other then it is only because of your unbelief.
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My unbelief abut what?? There is something about your Pentecostal bent that smells "fishy" and your reluctance only serves to confirm the suspicions about you I have had for along time. Why can't you own up to whom you are espoused unless you are too embarrassed to say?
You talk like Nick M. and Grosnick.
Your suspiciousness stems from a spirit sitting on your shoulder whispering in your ear, which is not the Lord.
You need deliverance.
Seek out some people who are filled with the Spirit and get them to pray for you and the Lords presence will cause that spirit to flee from you.
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That's all a copout and you know it.
Aimiel
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I would say that he just read your mail, dude.
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In what way -- dude?
Are you not a tad like this---
Gen 16:11 And the angel of the LORD said unto her, Behold, thou art with child, and shalt bear a son, and shalt call his name Ishmael; because the LORD hath heard thy affliction.
Gen 16:12 And he will be a wild man; his hand will be against every man, and every man's hand against him; and he shall dwell in the presence of all his brethren.
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