The "heavens" that God created in the six days being the physical sky and outer space is the literal interpretation of the text.
If your doctrine teaches otherwise, then you need to reexamine your doctrine.
You're limiting "heavens" to outer space is your doctrine, not the text.
See! I can repeat myself too!
No, that idea came entirely from your own mind, and any blasphemy you imagine that your own mind is guilty of is your concern and not mine.
Accusing God of orchestrating sin is blasphemy, by definition.
It doesn't matter if you agree or not. That's what the phrase "by definition" means.
Since that doctrine comes from your mind and not from me, it is up to you to defend it.
If it is merely another strawman argument that you are creating, then you need to own up to it and abandon that line of argument.
Again, I do not make strawman arguments. I am not responsible for your lack of ability to connect the dots.
I agree, which is why I keep saying you should abandon that strawman argument that you created.
You deny positing that God orchestrated Adam's fall?
What in the world are we talking about then?
You should keep in mind that all of your posts are still here for everyone to read.
I have no idea, since "God trying to prove Himself righteous" is not my argument, it is yours, and I have no reason to do anything except condemn it as a non-Biblical argument that you came up with to divert from the truth of my argument.
YOU brought up the issue of God's righteousness when you said the following...
"You appear to be hinting that only an evil god would orchestrate the fall and condemn most of humanity to eternal damnation in order to gain the praise and glory from the small remnant that were predestined for salvation."
It's in post #84
Besides, it's the same issue anyway! How can you not see that?
Free will is what makes a persons actions moral in nature and whether that person is you, me, Hitler, the Apostle John, Lucifer, or God Himself, if they have no ability to do otherwise then their action is not free and it is not right or wrong!
Further, if man does not have free will then for God to punish any action of his would be fundamentally unjust and so once again, proving man's will is free is, in essence, proving God's righteousness. It's all the exact same issue! When you are discussing free will, you are discussing morality. "Does man have a free will?" and "Is man a moral agent?" is the same question!
No, He is not trying to prove to us that we are evil.
That is what the accuser (HaSatan) does.
That is what the law is for and it was God who gave the law.
Romans 3:19 What purpose then does the law serve? It was added because of transgressions, till the Seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was appointed through angels by the hand of a mediator. 20 Now a mediator does not mediate for one only, but God is one.
21 Is the law then against the promises of God? Certainly not! For if there had been a law given which could have given life, truly righteousness would have been by the law. 22 But the Scripture has confined all under sin, that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe. 23 But before faith came, we were kept under guard by the law, [f]kept for the faith which would afterward be revealed. 24 Therefore the law was our [g]tutor to bring us to Christ, that we might be justified by faith. 25 But after faith has come, we are no longer under a tutor.
Romans 7:7 What shall we say then? Is the law sin? Certainly not! On the contrary, I would not have known sin except through the law. For I would not have known covetousness unless the law had said, “You shall not covet.” 8 But sin, taking opportunity by the commandment, produced in me all manner of evil desire. For apart from the law sin was dead. 9 I was alive once without the law, but when the commandment came, sin revived and I died. 10 And the commandment, which was to bring life, I found to bring death. 11 For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it killed me. 12 Therefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy and just and good.
Please spend a bit more time in trying to understand what the actual text of the Bible teaches and less time just going along with the doctrines of your particular denomination.
Fool
At that point, it is merely a theoretical free-will and not an actual free-will.
If you know anything about the scientific method, you know a theory is meaningless without any attempt to prove or disprove that theory.
This is utter stupidity.
So God has never sinned. Is His free will theoretical?
Go on! Don't be scared of your own doctrine! Say it! "God might or might not have a free will. We can't know for sure until He commits an act of evil!"
Say it! I dare you!
Yes, that is the fundamental basis for "Open Theism".
What?
It is the fundamental premise of a moral being!
No. God proved that when He said, "Let there be light" and created the foundation of the universe ex nihilo.
Are you just making this up as you go?
How do you know that God could have chosen not to create the universe?
MAKE THE ARGUMENT!!!
Liar! You make the claim again in the next two sentences!
Please pay attention.
Adam had to disobey God in order to prove that mankind has the ability to disobey God.
Free-will is the ability that God gave mankind to allow mankind to choose whether they would obey or disobey God.
Double talking idiot.
I have heard that before.
See if you can stop me from saying whatever I decide to say whenever I decide to say it.
Go hide yourself and watch to see if you giving me orders changes my behavior in the slightest.
You are certainly responsible for your own ignorance and your refusal to stick on topic with my argument.
As are you.
Nope.
Please pay attention.
My premise is that Adam disobeying God is the proof that mankind has been given the ability to make the free-will choice of whether to obey God or disobey God.
So then why did you just ignore the end of my post where I said the following....
"Okay fine then make the argument. I mean, actually write out the argument that concludes with the statement, "Therefore, if Adam (or anyone else) had not fallen and evil did not exist, we could not know that we have a free will.""
You ignored it because you are completely incapable of making such an argument. There is no such argument because it's utter stupidity.
Prove me wrong. I dare you to try.
You won't though.
Clete