genuineoriginal
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Then you shouldn't do it.Accusing God of orchestrating sin is blasphemy
Of course you do.Again, I do not make strawman arguments.
I am not the one claiming that God orchestrated Adam's fall.You deny positing that God orchestrated Adam's fall?
We were talking about why I believe that the fall was necessary to prove to mankind that mankind has free will.What in the world are we talking about then?
Yes, I was trying to clarify your position.YOU brought up the issue of God's righteousness when you said the following...
"You appear to be hinting that only an evil god would orchestrate the fall and condemn most of humanity to eternal damnation in order to gain the praise and glory from the small remnant that were predestined for salvation."
It is not the same issue.it's the same issue anyway! How can you not see that?
It seems like the fundamental basis of your belief that free-will is a moral issue has a major flaw.Free will is what makes a persons actions moral in nature and whether that person is you, me, Hitler, the Apostle John, Lucifer, or God Himself, if they have no ability to do otherwise then their action is not free and it is not right or wrong!
Further, if man does not have free will then for God to punish any action of his would be fundamentally unjust and so once again, proving man's will is free is, in essence, proving God's righteousness. It's all the exact same issue! When you are discussing free will, you are discussing morality. "Does man have a free will?" and "Is man a moral agent?" is the same question!
In your scenario, does God have the ability to do evil?
If not, then in your scenario God does not have free-will, which means that none of us have free will in your scenario either.
No, He is not trying to prove to us that we are evil.
That is what the accuser (HaSatan) does.
According to that blasphemous logic, God gave the Law to make us evil.That is what the law is for and it was God who gave the law.
That seems to sum up the argument that you claim I am making, but it is not the argument I a making."God might or might not have a free will. We can't know for sure until He commits an act of evil!"
That makes it a strawman argument.
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