Was Jesus real?
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Zeke
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How can something with the first Conscience thought in eternity with no beginning or ending really have a singular history that excludes everyone else that came out of that Conscience creation from its self? which is the spark/seed of eternity placed in mans conscience being yet unable to see through this world/shadows/a glass darkly into eternity, intellectually it is impossible for the senses of man seeking in the shadows to find it Luke 17:20-21.
The Sages and Servants of the Ancient of days knew the message/Jesus/the way was about the inward Journey seen only within Gen 32:30, which is exactly the place one finds this motif played out by Jesus who represented the Divine birth in a man, who sadly has become an Idol of pagan flesh and blood sacrifice instead of the Way back to where all Conscience creations began.
What evidence do you have about what you did a year ago on Aug 13, 2014?
Show us or were you standing still the whole day long that day?
History as a category of truth is mostly unsupported by evidence. It's a matter of witnessing. By nature it is so.
RevTestament
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I have YHWH Elohim the servant of El Elyon, His only perfect servant Isa 42:19 who made the law honorable, v.21, as He lived it in truth and not blindness.
jzeidler
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Wait what? Are you saying there is a henotheism of gods? That el Elyon is highest and YHWH is below him?
that's why i stick with God. He serves no one -
Yahweh was just one of many nature Gods of the Saini nomadic tribes. The Israelites adopted the name for their One God concept taught by Moses the reformer.
I do include the Jewish religion in my statements. I accept Judaism because of my traditions. I don't go chasing after other people and telling them that they have to accept my people's traditions.
Yet one has to sort out the different witnesses as best as one can, and judge how reliable they are.
For example, if you read Caesar's book about Caesar conquering Gaul, you would be well advised to get this verified by other sources. And one should be skeptical of any boasting claims that he made. (This is just an example- I have not read the history). Likewise with Josephus. Any historian or historical player has their own viewpoint to push.
The more extreme the claims, the better the corroborating evidence should be. If I read that Joseph Smith found these golden tablets, or that an angel spoke to him (or to whoever), then his say-so doesn't hold much weight. Nor does the fact that some believe him.
If an ancient text said that Mohammed was an extraterrestrial alien- I'd laugh it off, unless there was some VERY convincing evidence besides the text.
Likewise for a story about a Jewish teacher who died on the cross, then came back to life. Miracle-stories are a dime a dozen. Every nation and religion has them. You want others to believe yours- then provide some solid proof- or you ought to believe every people's legends and myths.
RevTestament
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How can YHWH be below Him when He is YHWH?
Christ is not El Elyon, but the Son of El Elyon. Luke 1:32; 8:28
Hedshaker
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Just to add a little balance, from Dr. Richard Carrier, considered highly as a Secular Biblical Scholar and historian.
Richard Carrier - Jesus Studies
It's a long video but just in case someone is interested:
Richard Carrier - Jesus Studies
It's a long video but just in case someone is interested:
| Did Jesus Even Exist? A Historian Questions the Evidence | |
More balance:
| Secrets of Jesus | |
jzeidler
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Aimiel
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That same logic tells me that time is a part of creation. That God created time is a given. He also stepped down out of eternity into a temporal body. Limiting Him to never being capable of doing so is foolish. It's like trying to force God into a box of your own design.
I looked up Saini, and got this wikipedia article.
Saini is a caste of North India who were traditionally landowners
What Saini are you referring to?
RevTestament
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You can't take Caino too literally.
He believes in the Urantia Book - a totally different "reality" from the Bible - Tanakh and NT.
RevTestament
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You do not understand YHWH at all. The Hebrews created their words from their alphabet. Each letter had a meaning and together created the meaning of the word. The Hebrews didn't even come up with the name, but God gave it to them, and they have forgotten or never really understood the meaning. But the letters mean Behold the Hand, Behold the nail, and has nothing to do with nature.
Psalms 22:16 For dogs have compassed me: the assembly of the wicked have inclosed me: they pierced my hands and my feet.
Perhaps the Jews should ask themselves why El Elyon has this name.
Zechariah 12:8 In that day shall the Lord defend the inhabitants of Jerusalem; and he that is feeble among them at that day shall be as David; and the house of David shall be as God, as the angel of the Lord before them.
9 ¶And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.
10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.
GuySmiley
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How do you determine if something is worth looking at without looking at it?
Sorry, "Sinai" as in Mt Sinai