Actually, we do claim there is evidence.
But tell us: If Jesus did rise from the dead, what evidence would be seen today?
Was Jesus real?
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Actually, we do claim there is evidence.
But tell us: If Jesus did rise from the dead, what evidence would be seen today?
"Reject?" I don't even consider him. If you want me to consider him seriously, then provide some evidence for your claims. Then I can accept or reject him, or more precisely, your myths about him.
The default isn't "Christianity is true", and more than "Islam is true", or "Bahai is true". You need to provide the evidence.
1. Let's hear the evidence.
2. I'd expect to see Him walking around. Please note: Many groups have legends and myths about their leaders. It does not make the stories true. A legend about somebody seeing him after the Resurrection is a legend, not evidence.
What do you think of the eyewitness accounts of the Gospels. Do you accept or reject them?
You mean the stories of eyewitness accounts in the Gospels?
Yeah, by those guys that turned the world upside down with their teaching.
And what if He had, but you had been elsewhere?
Oddly, that didn't really happen for quite a while. Or at all, really.
12 guys, that's all it took. Are you some kind of ostrich with its head stuck in the ground?
Hedshaker
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And like I say, the evidence can be read either way, equally. If I'm reading you right you seem to be only interested in interpreting it in a way that supports your cherished beliefs. But there is no contemporary, extra-Biblical evidence that supports that view without looking at it through Christian tinted glasses. If Tacitus and Josephus were both contemporaneous then it would be different. But they're not so their testimony isn't historically reliable. Bummer!
I don't know what your problem is. You have your book. Just take it on faith. This argument has been raging on for centuries and isn't going to get settled here.
The Mormons did it with one. So did the Muslims.
I dunno, let me check. What sound does an ostrich make?
And the Mormons and Muslims got it wrong. At least i'm glad to see you do not doubt his existence.
Just like the Christians, and all the other religions, it seems.
Have you not been following the thread? Or are you referring to Joseph Smith and Mohammed?
GuySmiley
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You have almost 1600 posts on a Christian forum and you haven't even considered the truth of Christianity? :kookoo::doh:
Nothing in the passage says that the church replaces Israel. Indeed, it is obvious that the passage is talking of spiritual things: nothing prevents Jews from believing in Jesus and becoming heirs of Abraham, who believed and was accredited as righteous before he was circumcised as well as being heirs of Abraham according to the flesh by being circumcised.
Whether or not the Jews are the covenant people of God is matter between you and God and nothing to do with the Bible or Christians. Christians believe, as Paul taught, that in Christ (i.e. through faith in him) there is no distinction between Jew and non-Jew because they have been merged into one new man. This does not mean that there is now no longer any Jew or that Christians have replaced Jews. Neither does it mean that in order tobecome Christian a Jew must abandon his Jewishness. It just means that in the church, we don't see Jews any differently to the way we see non-Jews. The distinction is obsolete.
Paul is speaking metaphorically, (see v 24), encouraging those who still think that being Jewish saves them or who think that keeping the law saves them, to escape from such bondage and become heirs of Abraham through their faith. He isn't saying that they must abandon their Jewishness.
The issue exists very much today with the fanatics in Israel who think that because God promised them the land that they have a right to it. That being Jewish somehow makes them better than others and gives them a right to be violent. That is the same bondage as Paul is describing. Wanting something better for Jews is not replacement theology.
jzeidler
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Exactly. The legends of a particular religion are not going to convince an outsider of anything. I do not expect Rexlunae to become Jewish based on my traditions.
And it looks like another 1600 won't change things either. I have yet to hear anything here that is even remotely worth looking at.
RevTestament
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Isa 42:18 Hear, ye deaf; and look, ye blind, that ye may see.
19 Who is blind, but my servant? or deaf, as my messenger that I sent? who is blind as he that is perfect, and blind as the Lord’s servant?
20 Seeing many things, but thou observest not; opening the ears, but he heareth not.
21 The Lord is well pleased for his righteousness’ sake; he will magnify the law, and make it honourable.