Is jzeidler real?
Was Jesus real?
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Is jzeidler real?
Now that we have come to a conclusion that there was a historical Jesus let me post another question.
Was that Jesus like the Jesus that we find in the bible?
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Something of the human and divine Jesus can be gleaned from the red letters + the presence of Jesus in the spirit of truth as we read his words. But the NT is basically Jesus according to Paul who never knew Jesus in the flesh.
jzeidler
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If you don't have anything of meaning to add to this conversation please leave. I am trying to engage in an intelligent conversation with people.
Ben Masada
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DR, without any intention to exaggerate, you would not have the NT were not for the Pauline policy of Replacement Theology in it. RT is the essence of the NT. More so, a Christian preacher speaking from a pulpit, he or she cannot spend 5 minutes without speaking for RT. When Paul listened to the gospel being preached by the Apostles of Jesus, the impression he had was that they were preaching a different gospel about a different Jesus, and for that matter, he would consider them as false apostles, transforming themselves into the apostles of "Christ." (II Cor. 11:4-6, 13, 22) Later, Paul said to the Galatians that he would curse any one preaching a gospel different from his even an angel. (Gal. 1:6-9) The guy did mean business!
I guess someone made you up. :think:
Rexlunae made a personal comment about the evidence for the man Jesus. You didn't criticise him for that. You did however criticise me for criticising him. This is not your debate. You started it but that doesn't make it your debate. If you think I have broken the rules of the forum then by all means make a complaint to the mods. If it is upheld then I will be told to desist and/or get points. On the other hand, if you want to encourage a decent debate, then you might try engaging with what I said.
Show me what passages you think support this. I do not believe Paul taught what is known as RT, but it is difficult making substantive comments without something concrete. RT is a dispensational kind of theology. I do not support dispensationalism, nor does the Bible.
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You don't know what you are talking about. What evidence are you looking for exactly? Can you be more specific?
That nature of the kind of truth itself makes it unable to be evidenced even when it is a truth. That's the case.
And for your knowledge, humans in majority never rely on evidence to reach a truth, almost exclusively they rely on witnessing (the trusting with faith in other humans) to reach such a truth.
Your insisting on evidence only shows that you are completely out of reality. In this very reality, 99.99% humans don't even have the evidence that the earth is actually revolving around the sun. Period. Humans in majority trust the works of a small group (0.01%) of humans called scientists to reach such a truth. Unlike historical events/figures and religious claims, a scientific truth is solidly and repeatedly verifiable though, with 99.99% humans don't even bother to do this verification or otherwise I will be the business man selling the long range telescopes.
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Ben Masada
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Sorry but, whether you want or not, you support Replacement Theology and I tell you how:
The Magna Carta of RT - Gal. 4:21-31
&. Needless to remind of, RT stands for Replacement Theology.
1. Gal. 4:21 - It means that the Church of Galatia used to be a Nazarene synagogue which Paul had overturned into a Christian church.
2. Gal. 4:22 - Abraham had two sons: Ishmael with Agar and Isaac with Sarah.
3. Gal. 4:23 - Ishmael was born after the flesh and Isaac was born after the promise.
4. Gal. 4:24 - Two Covenants: The Jewish one points to bondange after Agar.
5. Gal. 4:25 - Agar points to Jerusalem in bondage under the Jews.
6. Gal. 4:26 - The Promised Jerusalem from above is free and the mother of Christianity.
7. Gal. 4:27 - Christians must rejoice as Sarah for mothering many more children aka Christians.
8. Gal. 4:28 - Christians, after Isaac, are the children of the promise in Jesus.
9. Gal. 4:29 - Jews who are born after the flesh persecute Christians who are born of the spirit.
10. Gal. 4:30 - Scripture says to cast out Agar aka the Jewish covenant and her son aka the Jews for they shall not be heir with Isaac aka Christians, the son of Sarah aka Christianity.
11. Gal. 4:31 - Christians are not children of Agar, the bond woman but of Sarah the free one.
12. Conclusion - Can any one still claim that there is no RT in the New Testament? Hardly!
jzeidler
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jzeidler
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Was Jesus real?
When anyone disrespects anyone you still show respect for them as human beings and use evidence to show them they're wrong in a respectful adult manner. It's what Jesus did when people disrespected him. This is what I am expecting and encouraging on my thread. Please communicate with others in this way on my thread. Thank you.
When anyone disrespects anyone you still show respect for them as human beings and use evidence to show them they're wrong in a respectful adult manner. It's what Jesus did when people disrespected him. This is what I am expecting and encouraging on my thread. Please communicate with others in this way on my thread. Thank you.
j4jesus09
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Yes, he was real. He was the Messiah the Son of God according to the bible. The bible is man's record of God from past, present, and future.
When morons like you come in pretending to have serious evidence that Jesus did not exist, we call them morons.
If you want to be treated with respect, talk in a way that might elicit it.
:darwinsm: Evolutionists are forever turning to Jesus when it suits them.
Start a thread that doesn't question the existence of your creator and you might have a deal. Mock God, and prepare to be mocked yourself.
jzeidler
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You should really try and get to know where the person stands before you presume what they believe. I'm not mocking God and I'm not denying Christ. I am a Trinitarian Christian that believes the orthodox teachings of the bible. I lost this thread because to acknowledge that Jesus exists is the starting point to an intelligent conversation one can have with people about Christianity.
If you are unwilling to speak with respect to those on this thread get off.
RevTestament
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Because attacking first and asking questions later is always the best policy....
JZ you might need a tough skin at first here...cheersNow that we have come to a conclusion that there was a historical Jesus let me post another question.
Was that Jesus like the Jesus that we find in the bible?
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People who reject Christ will say anything to justify their rebellion.
You forgot to answer my opening question. :up:
Who attacked first? I asked a simple question and then got a lecture. :idunno:
keypurr
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You have my respect JZ, we differ in our theology but that is what TOL is all about. Your reasons for starting this thread are good.
Again. If you want to believe in Jesus, his resurrection, his being God, whatever- go ahead. If you want me to believe it, you will need some solid evidence. The fact that millions of Christians believe it isn't good enough. Why?
1. They don't even claim that there is objective evidence (unlike scientists, who do claim that, and can produce the evidence)
2. Christian beliefs have no advantage over other religions. Islam has millions of believers too.