Warning: The Gospel You Preach Could Be Impure

[popsthebuilder]

Do you believe that Christ, being the power of God (1 Cor 1:24) and Who said apart from Him man can do NOTHING (John 15:5), is the ONLY Source of Power?

If yes, where did you get your power to do the acts of repenting and believing while NOT plugged in to the ONLY Source of Power?

It doesn't take power to desire repentance or to even repent. One must not need to know GOD to be saved by GOD.

with salvation comes knowledge, and with knowledge, potential and/ or consequence.

Though potential lie within each of us from before our conception, it is only in the form of potential. Whichever nature is fed is the one that flourishes. Seemingly; we all feed the negative nature (greed) initially, due to societal norms, upbringing, and other outside influences.

One can find that greed is damning and wish to repent without knowing GOD. One can find through self examination, that they are seemingly incapable of repentance, and hope on the Lord and/ or GOD, though they knew not of a previous or ongoing relationship with GOD.

Upon receiving salvation one must abide by that which is found to be true in their heart and mind concerning the law of GOD. To not do so is to be indifferent to the price paid for your very own sake.

 

[God's Truth]

Enter that grace? That's salvation by works, GT. Scriptures speak of grace-based salvation ONLY.

I gave you scripture that says faith is how we enter grace.

Why don't you believe it?

Romans 5:2 through whom we have gained access by faith into this grace in which we now stand. And we boast in the hope of the glory of God.

 

[Samie]

Samie, I believe that we have freewill and I know that God gave me a choice to believe and repent or not. I wasn't made to do anything.

That's why Christ tells us in the parables of the lost (Luke 15) that people start out life NOT lost. And to be NOT lost is to be in Christ and that's why we can do SOMETHING - believe, repent, etc. - because we are born PLUGGED IN to the only source of power: Christ, the power of God (1 Cor 1:24).

But you believe otherwise, by believing instead that people are born in sin, and hence born APART from Christ because sin separates man from God (Isa 59:2). But while yet APART from Christ you say you can do SOMETHING so you can be in Christ Who said you can do NOTHING when NOT in Him (John 15:5). That's why you need to remove the impurity - the doctrine that people are born in sin. That's the culprit. Remove that false doctrine and everything will fall smoothly into place.

 

[Samie]

I gave you scripture that says faith is how we enter grace.

Why don't you believe it?

Romans 5:2 through whom we have gained access by faith into this grace in which we now stand. And we boast in the hope of the glory of God.

Not by man's faith, GT, but by the faith of the Son of God. see Rom 3:22; Gal 2:16, 20. Phil 3:9. Don't claim the credit that belongs solely to the Son of God.

 

[God's Truth]

Not by man's faith, GT, but by the faith of the Son of God. see Rom 3:22; Gal 2:16, 20. Phil 3:9. Don't claim the credit that belongs solely to the Son of God.

All those scriptures say we have to have faith. It is never ever shameful to obey God.

 

[marhig]

That's why Christ tells us in the parables of the lost (Luke 15) that people start out life NOT lost. And to be NOT lost is to be in Christ and that's why we can do SOMETHING - believe, repent, etc. - because we are born PLUGGED IN to the only source of power: Christ, the power of God (1 Cor 1:24).

But you believe otherwise, by believing instead that people are born in sin, and hence born APART from Christ because sin separates man from God (Isa 59:2). But while yet APART from Christ you say you can do SOMETHING so you can be in Christ Who said you can do NOTHING when NOT in Him (John 15:5). That's why you need to remove the impurity - the doctrine that people are born in sin. That's the culprit. Remove that false doctrine and everything will fall smoothly into place.

No, we are not in Christ at birth. we are in sinful flesh at birth, separated from God by our flesh. A baby is innocent though, as even though we are born into sinful flesh, we have not yet sinned as a baby, sin grows as we grow. We are reconciled to God through the gospel, once we hear and believe in Jesus and start to do what he teaches, then God blesses those he trusts with his Spirit.

We are dead to God until we are blessed with the Holy Spirit, when God breathes his Spirit into our hearts, then we are brought from death to life, we are dead until we receive the Spirit of God, and God wants to see the life of his Son in and through us. Our life in the flesh should be decreasing and the life of Christ increasing in us, made manifest in us through the Spirit, and it is then that we are in Christ and Christ is in us.

 

[Samie]

All those scriptures say we have to have faith.

Only those ALREADY in Christ can have faith. UNLESS one is ALREADY in Christ, he cannot have faith:

If one is born in sin, then he is born APART from Christ because sin separates man from God. Isa 59:2
If one is NOT in Christ, then he cannot bear fruit because only those in Christ can bear fruit. John 15:4, 5.
If one cannot bear fruit, he cannot have faith because faith is fruit of the Spirit. Gal 5:22

Do you believe what the above Scriptures say? If yes, then why continue believing that people are born in sin?

It is never ever shameful to obey God.

Of course.

You can only obey IF you have the power to obey; and Jesus, being the power of God (1 Cor 1:24), is the ONLY source of power. One can obey because he is in Christ, PLUGGED IN to Him Who is the only source of power.

The electric bulb shines NOT for it to be PLUGGED IN, but because it is already PLUGGED IN to the source of power.

Same with us.

We obey NOT for us to be PLUGGED IN, BUT because we are already PLUGGED IN to the source of power.

 

[JudgeRightly]

Only those ALREADY in Christ can have faith. UNLESS one is ALREADY in Christ, he cannot have faith:

If one is born in sin, then he is born APART from Christ because sin separates man from God. Isa 59:2
If one is NOT in Christ, then he cannot bear fruit because only those in Christ can bear fruit. John 15:4, 5.
If one cannot bear fruit, he cannot have faith because faith is fruit of the Spirit. Gal 5:22

Do you believe what the above Scriptures say? If yes, then why continue believing that people are born in sin?

Of course.

You can only obey IF you have the power to obey; and Jesus, being the power of God (1 Cor 1:24), is the ONLY source of power. One can obey because he is in Christ, PLUGGED IN to Him Who is the only source of power.

The electric bulb shines NOT for it to be PLUGGED IN, but because it is already PLUGGED IN to the source of power.

Same with us.

We obey NOT for us to be PLUGGED IN, BUT because we are already PLUGGED IN to the source of power.

So then a man who lives in the heart of India who has not and will never hear the gospel of Jesus Christ can't gain salvation?

 

[God's Truth]

Do you believe that Christ, being the power of God (1 Cor 1:24) and Who said apart from Him man can do NOTHING (John 15:5), is the ONLY Source of Power?

When Jesus said that he was explaining to his disciples not to turn from him.

If yes, where did you get your power to do the acts of repenting and believing while NOT plugged in to the ONLY Source of Power?

We have a message that saves and hearing it, being taught, persuaded, and convinced brings faith. That is the power of the message and if obeyed it can result in salvation.

 

[God's Truth]

Only those ALREADY in Christ can have faith. UNLESS one is ALREADY in Christ, he cannot have faith:

If one is born in sin, then he is born APART from Christ because sin separates man from God. Isa 59:2
If one is NOT in Christ, then he cannot bear fruit because only those in Christ can bear fruit. John 15:4, 5.
If one cannot bear fruit, he cannot have faith because faith is fruit of the Spirit. Gal 5:22

Do you believe what the above Scriptures say? If yes, then why continue believing that people are born in sin?

The first humans, Adam and Eve, they were born in Christ, but they sinned and were cast out.

Jesus came to reconcile the world back to God.

If we are born in Christ, then reconciliation makes no sense.

Sin separates us from God that is why the body and blood reconciles us. Jesus’ blood cleans us and he puts us in him and himself in us. That is when we are born in Christ.

Of course.

You can only obey IF you have the power to obey; and Jesus, being the power of God (1 Cor 1:24), is the ONLY source of power. One can obey because he is in Christ, PLUGGED IN to Him Who is the only source of power.

The electric bulb shines NOT for it to be PLUGGED IN, but because it is already PLUGGED IN to the source of power.

Same with us.

We obey NOT for us to be PLUGGED IN, BUT because we are already PLUGGED IN to the source of power.

You are taking our responsibility away to obey. You said obeying by having faith is wrong.

 

[Samie]

So then a man who lives in the heart of India who has not and will never hear the gospel of Jesus Christ can't gain salvation?

Good question, but better asked to those who believe that people are born in sin.

I believe and teach that people are born in Christ, and that includes your man who lives in the heart of India. Just like you and me, he was also born in Christ, part of His Body, and therefore born NOT lost but born saved and hence heaven-bound UNLESS Christ Himself blots his name out from the book of life for not overcoming evil with good.

During his lifetime, God dynamically writes in his heart and mind His laws (Heb 10:16, 17) that God deems best for him to live in accord with (Prov 6:23). When he dies, God will determine (Heb 9:27)) whether he died an overcomer of evil or not (Rom 12:21). Overcomers will Christ NOT blot out from the book of life (Rev 3:5) and will be seated with Him on His throne as He Himself also overcame and sat down with the Father on His throne (Rev 3:21).

When Christ comes again to reward every man according to what each has done (Matt 16:27; Rev 22:12), those NOT blotted out from the book of life will gain entry to the heavenly portals (Rev 21:27); all blotted out will have their portion in the lake of fire (Rev 21:15). also see Rom 2:5-11