unfinished business
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Grace.
Romans 11:28 KJV
(28) As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the fathers' sakes.
SDA bunk.
musterion
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Eppie is SDA? Well that explains everything.
So, that accounts for his "Non-Acceptance" of the Grace Gospel.
He's basically a cult member then.
Agreed.
Interplanner
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While it is true that there are several good announcements (the best known from OT times would be the decree to return to Israel from Babylon), there is only one Gospel in the arena of salvation.
When you see what Paul is saying in Gal 3 about the "two men" and their covenant (God and Christ), you realize that this one Gospel has indeed been out there that far back. If it weren't, the Bible would have a serious unity problem.
It sounds like there is also a serious misunderstanding of the mystery. You think the Gospel of justification is a mystery not known during the ministry of Christ, and that such passages as Eph 3, Rom 16, I Cor 2 are about that.
I could go into the grammar, but I guess you have not noticed the thread on Eph 3 that says that both the grammar and the sense cannot support what you are saying. Even if the grammar did not say that the Gospel was HOW the benefits were shared, the point of 3:6 is that they WERE and were intended to. So nothing was injected, interposed, interrupted. But the fact that this came true through the Gospel is a mystery, to be sure, but not the kind you are thinking.
In all these cases, the kind of mystery Paul had in mind was that the passage was normally read 'veiled' and read so often that way, that the previous generations could not see that Christ was meant. This is why Lk 24 (the quote in issue above) is such a sharp distinction. All of it is about Christ. (Your response there was pretty poor, even if she was defensive). It was all too easy for those in Israel to read nothing but Israel and especially the Law in the post-exilic period when Israel had to be more careful than ever, they thought. They did that because they didn't quite grasp Dan 9 or Is 53.
Dan 9 and Is 53 both destroy the idea that Christ was absent in the OT, but it took courage and a moral challenge to see it. In Dan 9 the prayer for Israel assumes that the 'answer' is going to be a thriving and prospering Israel. Through forgiveness. But the vision is not so. There is forgiveness through atonement in Messiah, but the city and temple are destroyed. Very eye-opening.
As for Is 53, I'm sure you know that most of Israel read that as being about their exile. But that does miss a lot, both in ordinary language in Is 40-66 as well as some extended analogies like the one used in Gal 4, Sarah and Hagar.
One translation problem has stuck out in Rom 16, which is the phrase about the previous times in 25. If translated 'since creation' you might have a point. But it is simply 'for long ages past' because unfortunately the Law does that. There was so much involved in practicing it that it was easy to forget it was only a shadow of the Reality.
The NT opens by cracking through that veil with 'Behold the Lamb of God.' It would be hard to miss the meaning of this in Judaism, and it begins (precedes!) the ministry of Christ, whose first miracle was to cross-prove the authority to forgive sins. It is therefore extrememly difficult to show 'other gospels' in the NT.
heir
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If you had salvation, you would know that it has nothing to do with salvation.
"the earth is desolated and is the prison home of Satan and his angels" is an SDA teaching.
I've never heard this from anyone else but SDAs.
I don't know whether Epoi is SDA or not.
heir
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1 Corinthians 15:1 Moreover, brethren, I declare unto you the gospel which I preached unto you, which also ye have received, and wherein ye stand;
1 Corinthians 15:2 By which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you, unless ye have believed in vain.
1 Corinthians 15:3 For I delivered unto you first of all that which I also received, how that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
1 Corinthians 15:4 And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:
Anyone, anywhere can be saved by what Paul declared above. Get saved by trusting the Lord believing IT!
Romans 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek.
heir
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You could read 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 KJV and trust the Lord believing it and be saved. Why don't you?
heir
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You made the bolded part up. WHere did Paul say that?
I don't know that Epoi is SDA.
All I was saying is that the idea that Satan's confinement to a desolated earth during the millennium is an SDA teaching.
Interplanner
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Your whole theological outlook is contained in just a handful of scriptures - you need to learn so much more
heir
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As I told you before,
The kingdom gospel is not the gospel of YOUR salvation. What is?